ordnance Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I am not sure what to make of this, he sat and watched one of his officers murdered and did nothing apart from locking himself in his car. Sensible cowardly or something in between. ? Quote The acting head of the Metropolitan Police locked himself in a car as one of his officers was murdered metres away during the Westminster attack, an inquest has heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I felt very uncomfortable when that was mentioned at lunchtime on the news. They sat there and watched because it "was a determined attack and they had no specific equipment to deal with the attacker." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I’d rather die than hide. Maybe it’s my upbringing You never leave a friend behind. im not big or clever but very protective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 And he is getting payed to look after the public what a ******** joke he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Did he have the keys of the car? the terrorists WEAPON of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 The entire shameful saga as reported on the news over the past few weeks has left me seething I'm afraid. I despair, I really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Locked himself in the car with two others. Unbelievable ! He then has the gall to claim he had no protective equipment but went on to organise the response. Presumably after the lunatic had been shot dead. I expect Cresida **** who oversaw the Mendez fiasco will award him a medal for his outstanding response. I didnt swear, honest. That actually is her name and quite apt I would suggest. Edited October 8, 2018 by JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, team tractor said: I’d rather die than hide. Maybe it’s my upbringing You never leave a friend behind. im not big or clever but very protective +1, COWARD, should have his knighthood removed for being a complete a hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 this is a situation you never know how your going to react untill it happens iv been in some situations working on the door wen there's only four door men and 10 lads kicking of iv seen door men turn the other way I'm sure winston72 will agree with me, all the same it didn't look good locking him self in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I felt very uncomfortable when that was mentioned at lunchtime on the news. They sat there and watched because it "was a determined attack and they had no specific equipment to deal with the attacker." It was him and other senior officers that were responsible for the policies, that the police officer was unarmed and unable to defend himself. I am sure he has lost any respect he had among the rank and file officers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 If one of his officers had done that, he'd sack them. Disgusting coward. Was it that idiot who created the phrase "run, hide, tell?" In his case, cower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Sadly, this isn't a one off. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/feb/22/man-drowned-lake-firefighters In the above case, a man drowns in three feet of water because the fire crew who attended wouldn't go in to water over ankle depth because of health and safety concerns. A far cry from ocean racers turning into the face of a storm to help stricken opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 These are the people who are tasked with protecting the general public, a tad farcical when you consider the fact that most aren't even capable ( and by 'capable' I mean equipped ) to protect themselves. A nutter runs amok with a car, but then after travelling the entire length of Westminster Bridge, killing and maiming several, he then abandons his vehicle and stabs to death an unarmed Police officer while those armed personnel whose job it was to be at that point, were elsewhere, and the attackers spree is finally brought to an end after being shot by a bodyguard who just happened to be there on unrelated business. The inquest into the attacks simply brought to startling clarity just how stupidly outdated and pathetically inadequate even our Police service is, to respond to such matters on behalf of the general public and even themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I can also remember not so long ago firemen refusing to go into a dwelling that was afire because it was unsafe . Two neighbours entered the house and rescued a women and child . Harnser.n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 It was probably technically the correct thing to do, a bit like the fire crews were pulled out of Croydon during the riots leaving that big furniture shop to burn. Or ambulance crews being prevented from going in to unsecured areas to attend to victims of shootings or stabbings. But he has lost face and in any uniformed job respect of your peers and subordinates is everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vince Green said: It was probably technically the correct thing to do, a bit like the fire crews were pulled out of Croydon during the riots leaving that big furniture shop to burn. Or ambulance crews being prevented from going in to unsecured areas to attend to victims of shootings or stabbings. But he has lost face and in any uniformed job respect of your peers and subordinates is everything. Yeah he will probably be told to retire soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wonder how he sleeps at night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 It is very easy to sit at your computer and be judgmental but think about it what would you do honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Heron said: It is very easy to sit at your computer and be judgmental but think about it what would you do honestly. It's not a case of what we, the public would do. It's a case of what the head of the police who supposedly look after the public should have done. Any normal person would die of shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Heron said: It is very easy to sit at your computer and be judgmental but think about it what would you do honestly. It is also very easy to sit at your computer and ask "what would you do honestly" Honestly I would have gone to his aid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, The Heron said: It is very easy to sit at your computer and be judgmental but think about it what would you do honestly. I can honestly say I think the vast majority of guys in this country would not do what that coward did, he should resign immediately. 37 minutes ago, walshie said: It's not a case of what we, the public would do. It's a case of what the head of the police who supposedly look after the public should have done. Any normal person would die of shame. Well said Edited October 8, 2018 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Heron said: It is very easy to sit at your computer and be judgmental but think about it what would you do honestly. I would not criticise a civilian for running away or locking themselves in their car, i would phrase their bravery if they tried to do something. He watched one of his officers being stabbed to death and sat and did nothing, a officer that he and others thought it was fine to have defenceless guarding a obvious high priority target. So its not about what we would do, but what would we do if we were acting met police chief. If we chose to do nothing then there should be a price to pay. The i went to coordinate the response is nonsense, i am sure there were plenty of other officers could have did that. Edited October 8, 2018 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 As a retired 'proper policeman I felt sick when I read this, but in the last 30yrs ..two included some of my service I have seen the decline in what we used to call the Police Service rather than Police Force. One of the first definitions we had to learn at Ryton started with a line about protecting life and property. As said the car is a superb tool when you know how to use it but he had been too busy brown nosing to ever know or care how to. To be fair to the others in the car they were both civilians one probably his driver. All began to fall to pieces when they brought in accelerated promotion for graduates more interested in getting their Knighthood than actually doing the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 http://ok we are all bonnie tyler heroes but when it comes to it could you really do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, walshie said: It's not a case of what we, the public would do. It's a case of what the head of the police who supposedly look after the public should have done. Any normal person would die of shame. 47 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: It is also very easy to sit at your computer and ask "what would you do honestly" Honestly I would have gone to his aid! Both very true. Personally I would rather die by a knife than die from the shame of being a coward. I have three old knife wounds from my younger days working as a doorman , none of them are in my back. Edited October 8, 2018 by mel b3 Clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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