fash Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Hi I was wondering if anyone could help me, Iam about to send in my form for my shotgun grant but I have an issue I cannot secure a gun cabinet to any walls that aren’t plaster board and I don’t have any completely non hollow walls would anyone be able to tell me how I can work round this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Most houses have solid external walls . They may seem hollow but behind the plaster board is blockwork Though ive just bulit a 100% timber house Though thats very rare in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Most forces would also except it rawl bolted to the rafters on its back, either in the attic or to some joists in a discreet spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) As above, you will need to get back to a solid external wall if internals are stud partitions. Not an ideal solution I know, but an alternative would be to lay it on its back and secure it to joists in your attic (if you have one) or roof space. Or possibly on its back fixed to floor joists and hidden within a wardrobe. OB Ps 12gauge82 just beat me to the 'on its back' solution. Edited January 5, 2019 by Old Boggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Hi, I would not recommend that you use the cgun cabinet fixing kits and go to a decent hardware store and buy some good bolts etc. Even if you do not have solid walls you can also fix the cabinet to the woodwork in stud walls, most cabinets also allow for fixing to the floor. So if you fix to the wall and floor, it should be ok. If in doubt call your FEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcMaxus Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I went through the plaster board and direct into the brick, then bolted it to the wall (8 fixing points) It's in the corner where the external and internal walls join. I put mine above the skirting board and cut a solid oak block underneath, same footprint of the cabinet and the screwed bottom of cabinet to that. I then filled and small gaps where the cabinet meets the wall to tidy it up. Ensure there are no gaps any potential robber could get a crowbar into. Mine passed with flying colours. Usually your front and back walls are solid behind the board. If in any doubt, call your FEO and they will advise you further. Edited January 5, 2019 by MarcMaxus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Wait until your FEO visit and ask for their advice. Resin and threaded bar should get you sorted in all situations unless you are one of the three little piggies living in a house of straw or house made of sticks? Edited January 5, 2019 by Jaymo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 If you have a concrete floor maybe bolt to that under the stairs or in a pantry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 3x2 concrete slab ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fash Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Thank you all for your advice I has been very helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 behind the plasterboard is brick ? if so then go buy some rigfix M10's ( amazon has them) and relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fash Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 No behind the plaster board there is no brick just a hollow space that’s the issue I can’t secure it without it being ripped of the wall by the firearms officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 your house cant be made of plasterboard ? the rigfix anchors are designed to go through the plasterboard, through the gap and into what ever is behind the gap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Jaymo said: Wait until your FEO visit and ask for their advice. Resin and threaded bar should get you sorted in all situations unless you are one of the three little piggies living in a house of straw or house made of sticks? In that situation you'd need anti huff and puff bolts. Edited January 5, 2019 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fash Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 My house is clay lump so as insulation for the walls all there will be is that insulation itchy stuff and the plasterboard, then wallpaper and then paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 Ideally in a cupboard as it limits angles of attack, remove plasterboard and locate studs. Fill in between studs with more studs so they are solid. (Nail or screw studs to bottom rail and top rails, and to left and right studs so all studs are nailed to neighbours) Replace plasterboard and make sure there are at least 10 holes in rear and 8 in bottom, coach screw your cabinet to solid area of studding and floor, you will need to bring wall down to remove cabinet and feo will be unable to move. Much easier for thieves just to run a portable angle grinder over the door to gain access to the shotgun inside than trying to remove cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 Maybe worth contacting one of the organisations that offer advice on clay lump buildings, eg: https://www.breckland.gov.uk/media/2046/Clay-Lump-Advice-Leaflet/pdf/claylump.pdf http://www.eartha.org.uk/Clay%20Lump%20Construction.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 Is the house brick outside .how deep is the cavity behind the plasterboard . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 Do you mean Chalk lump rather than clay? If so, drill through everything, right back into the chalk and then use threaded bar and resin anchors. I've done this on my last 2 houses and my bosses cabinet and all have been passed quite happily. We have a 12ft metal gate hung on resin bonded studs at work so a cabinet would be not trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cervusman Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 I have fixed my gun cabinets in a cupboard made of stud work, just fixed them with coach bolts into the upright studs, passed no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 As others have said, there is always a solution. I have had cabinets secured by coach bolts into the rafters in a loft, passed no problems. from you posts you sound a little inexperienced (no offence intended, you've come to the right place!) so as has been mentioned you should seek advice from your FEO before deciding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 lets lay some myths to bed I own a timber frame constuction house i also construct the as mentioned I am a SGC and FAC and all passed by relevand local fac I have in the past removed fac cabinets and they should 've not have passed any certiification When i applied for my fac to coincide with my sgc the local fac had no problem issuing all my tickets and i live in a timber frame house I can fix anything to timber frame that is not possible to do to some soft sandstone knackered damp old cottage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 I too live in a modern timber frame house, knowing I was going to install a cabinet I made inch thick plywood wall between studs where cabinet was going just incase I couldn't get coach bolts into the studs. I get two big coach bolts direct into the wooden wall studs and two into the thick ply. It ain't coming off the wall no matter how much you pull it. As has been said if you can't fix into studs use long bits of threaded bar into the solid wall with anchor resin and fit nuts inside the cabinet trim down the excess bar job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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