Scully Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, das said: +3 So am I but most of the unwashed masses appear to want to be opressed forever. Must admit it would be refreshing ( and democratic ) to actually have a say in whom I want to make legislation and rules which effect me, and even better, the option to vote them out if I don’t like it. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm guessing 230 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 hahaha 2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I'm guessing 230 nice wowzers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I was watching live, so not really a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Newbie to this said: I was watching live, so not really a guess i guessed as much. you should have been clever and made it 231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Wow, Corbyn is a nasty little shouty man isnt he.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 History has been made! Loss of 230 is unprecedented! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, ShootingEgg said: Wow, Corbyn is a nasty little shouty man isnt he.... I doubt you've seen anything yet! 😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, panoma1 said: I doubt you've seen anything yet! 😡 His rant a minute ago was just shouting. Makes him look rediculous, just a shame some are sucked in by him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Corbyn's creaming his knickers, he's got election fever...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Bazooka Joe said: Corbyn's creaming his knickers, he's got election fever...... And he’ll still lose if he gets one, but claim it as a victory all the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Now Mandy's on the BBC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Now Mandy's on the BBC! Oooh the Dark Lord's risen. How long before his master wakes up too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Its like a soap opera ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dekers said: History has been made! Loss of 230 is unprecedented! A little closer than I expected 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I believe that we are witnessing the demise of democracy in this country. The people voted the Parliament stated they would deliver the peoples wish. Yet up to now everything points to us being landed with a situation that nobody voted for. As for the Irish so called problem if the UK had never joined the EU would Southern Ireland have been refused membership because of no hard border to the north. All this farce that is there now is just a smoke screen until the non exit of the EU happens. I hope when the next general election comes the voters remember this and vote for the fringe parties not that they would be able to form a government but just give the. Two main parties a kick up the rear. Let some of the traitorous ones have a spell of unemployment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, bostonmick said: I believe that we are witnessing the demise of democracy in this country. The people voted the Parliament stated they would deliver the peoples wish. Yet up to now everything points to us being landed with a situation that nobody voted for. As for the Irish so called problem if the UK had never joined the EU would Southern Ireland have been refused membership because of no hard border to the north. All this farce that is there now is just a smoke screen until the non exit of the EU happens. I hope when the next general election comes the voters remember this and vote for the fringe parties not that they would be able to form a government but just give the. Two main parties a kick up the rear. Let some of the traitorous ones have a spell of unemployment. Not sure if it is the demise of democracy, yet, but i absolutely do believe this is a seminal moment in how the British public see and engage with our political representatives going forward and will last for many generations. Clearly there is a level of elitism amongst our elected representatives in that they choose to spin the situation to suit their own agenda and they hold the electorate in contempt in dismissing the vote. The narrative that they give as justification is disingenuous and contrived. I can understand why those who voted to remain may be happy at the thought of a rerun of the referendum if they think it will change the outcome, who wouldn't want a free second go after losing the first time, but for me that wholly misses the point. I can be very arrogant and disparaging about the decisions people make and how they arrive at them, but i would never seek to subvert their democratic choice. In a democracy we will sometimes make collective decisions that are unpopular or highly divisive, but that is the very essence of the imperfect beauty of democracy. For the parliamentarians that are so quick to dismiss the democratic choice this time, because it suits their agenda, then they need to appreciate that it works two ways and there are always unintended consequence. What shocks me in the clamour to call for a second referendum by MPs is the complete ambivalence by them in how they are proclaiming to the world their fundamental incompetence. In the rush to put Brexit on the too hard to deal with pile they simply demonstrate to the world their innate lack of ability and any MP who has done that does not deserve their seat because they are plainly incompetent to be able to do that job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Personally I don't care if there were several hundred independent polls conducted which revealed that a second referendum would still result in leave. The simple fact is that if you believe in democracy then there can be no second vote; to do otherwise would not only be scandalously undemocratic but also render the entire process and ideal meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Scully said: Personally I don't care if there were several hundred independent polls conducted which revealed that a second referendum would still result in leave. The simple fact is that if you believe in democracy then there can be no second vote; to do otherwise would not only be scandalously undemocratic but also render the entire process and ideal meaningless. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scully said: Personally I don't care if there were several hundred independent polls conducted which revealed that a second referendum would still result in leave. The simple fact is that if you believe in democracy then there can be no second vote; to do otherwise would not only be scandalously undemocratic but also render the entire process and ideal meaningless. I agree wholeheartedly. I can say with absolute certainty that had I voted remain I would have still felt that a rerun is subverting democracy. I was pretty marginal in voting to leave and I suspect my reasons for voting out will differ from many/most on PW, but this process has cemented my feelings and there is no ambiguity or doubt at all now. An exit is essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said: Corbyn's creaming his knickers, he's got election fever...... Believe me he doesn't want to be prime minister, he's far too lazy. That would mean he had to get out of bed in the mornings and actually do something. Why break the habit of a lifetime? Corbyn is a protester not a politician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Remainers and Brexiteers all celebrating outside Westminster. Do you think they all joined together and had one big love in? No...I suspect not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Scully said: Personally I don't care if there were several hundred independent polls conducted which revealed that a second referendum would still result in leave. The simple fact is that if you believe in democracy then there can be no second vote; to do otherwise would not only be scandalously undemocratic but also render the entire process and ideal meaningless. If there were a second referendum (aka people's vote) it would create the equivilent of what we are seeing in France, a breakdown of trust resulting in rioting on the streets. It would destroy all faith in the integrity of Parliament for years to come Too many politicians and other busybodies are trying to subvert the referendum. There was a vote, it wasn't the slightest bit ambiguous, the decision was made. We did not vote for 'ifs' and 'buts' Edited January 15, 2019 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Impressive. Teresa has finally succeeded in uniting both sides, which is no small achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Scully said: The simple fact is that if you believe in democracy Politicians accept democracy as a means to elect them to a cushy well paid job with excellent perks and pensions. They do not expect to have to handle anything democratically again until the next election time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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