Brexit - merged threads

[pinfireman]

The head of Google’s new recruitment tool ‘Hire by Google’ has said that the UK is “an attractive market, obviously, for everybody” and that Brexit did not change his decision to launch the product in the UK. Dmitri Krakovsky, a Vice President at Google (the world’s second most valuable company), said at the launch of the new product that “the UK is no doubt a very, very attractive market for us.” All despite Brexit…

Germany’s stalling economy continues to deteriorate, with business confidence falling to its lowest level in four years. The IFO Institute’s business climate index February figures came in below expectations at 98.5 – the poorest figures since January 2015 when Germany was last flirting with recession. Six-month business projections also came in lower than expected, with IFO economists predicting that Germany’s weak second half of 2018 is set to continue…

Merkel needs to talk to Oowee, he,ll sort it out!

This is no cause for gloating but it provides the broader context which is so often missing in the media’s Brexit-obsessed coverage of the UK’s economic performance – The UK is predicted to continue steady growth even as Europe stagnates. Increasingly it’s the EU which needs a deal more than ever…

Source  Guido Fawkes   www.order-order

Edited February 22, 2019 by pinfireman
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[Rewulf]

In the not so distant past, Labour claimed to not back a second referendum, but did favour a general election, obviously thinking that they stood a good chance of getting into power, they carped on about it at any opportunity. 

A very bad opinion poll, and a study commissioned by Labour itself, said this was a pipe dream, and 10 MP s down, the whole general election thing has gone ominously quiet. 

So it's back to the second referendum they didn't like now! 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-second-referendum-mcdonnell-corbyn-a8791851.html

When are people going to realise these people couldn't give a flying one for doing the best thing for the country, but the best thing for themselves. 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Rewulf

[JohnfromUK]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

When are people going to realise these people couldn't give a flying one for doing the best thing for the country, but the best thing for themselves. 

Politicians (or at least very nearly all of them) have never had any concerns for anyone else;

• They will say almost anything to get elected
• They will actually do very little of what they promise
• They will preach 'wager restraint' (just to take an example) then award themselves large inflation beating wage rises
• They will claim as much as they possibly can on expenses (including 'employing' as many of the family as possible as salaried 'researchers') and make full use of their heavily subsidised bars and restaurants
• They will preach people need to save for their retirement - whilst awarding themselves generous state funded pensions - and when people do save, once there is enough to be worthwhile - they will stage a tax raid on those savings
• When they do come to retire they will award themselves 'honours' and possibly a £300 a day seat in the Lords

With very few exceptions, the whole political class are beneath the contempt of decent working folk who have paid for the whole corrupt system.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

With very few exceptions, the whole political class are beneath the contempt of decent working folk who have paid for the whole corrupt system

You know, I don't mind that, from an early age I've known it. 

From my early teens I was heavily influenced by anarchist punk, the mantra " Whoever you vote for, government wins" was something I believed, in some ways I still do. 

But these days, what really rattles my cage is the hypocrisy of the Labour Party, they don't care how they do it, whatever they have to say, whatever they have to do, they just want to be in power, and then do all the things the tories do that they say are wrong. 

I'm just glad that at this stage of the game, they haven't got a hope in hell. 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Rewulf

[Mice!]

Tonight's last leg is very funny.

[JohnfromUK]

11 hours ago, Rewulf said:

But these days, what really rattles my cage is the hypocrisy of the Labour Party, they don't care how they do it, whatever they have to say, whatever they have to do, they just want to be in power, and then do all the things the tories do that they say are wrong. 

I can understand that; however I do (perhaps surprisingly as I am no supporter of Labour) have some sympathy.  The reason is that the opposition is there to 'oppose', and when the government is trying to carry out a referendum result, it is not quite so easy to 'oppose' without also seeming to oppose the democratic will.  Like the Tories, Labour are also fundamentally divided over Brexit, and (in my view) much more divided over internal policy.  They have a leadership who are opposed by much of the 'experienced' party, and supported mostly by inexperienced recent intake.

Their leader is obstinate, uneducated, lazy (we hear on good authority), uninterested in any issues other than his own lefty agenda, has been a career 'opposer' even of his own party and has no experience outside his own little niche of left wing cronies.  There is no doubt in my mind he is a puppet with his strings controlled by others - McDonnell, McLusky, Seumas Milne, Jon Lansman.  He has also chosen to surround himself mainly with incompetents like Abbott, Thornberry, Onasanya, Osamoor - and has shunned those with real political experience (apart from Tom Watson).

They are trying to push an extreme left wing agenda that is supported by a very vocal and omni-present 'rent-a-mob' crowd of thugs who are definitely very anti semitic - and he panders to that, and the Champagne Socialists who are wealthy, privately educated.  Their traditional working class northern industrial community support doesn't want that.

IF they ever got into power, either the Civil Service Sir Humphrys would 'stall' them - or we would suffer a major collapse like Venezuela.

[panoma1]

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I can understand that; however I do (perhaps surprisingly as I am no supporter of Labour) have some sympathy.  The reason is that the opposition is there to 'oppose', and when the government is trying to carry out a referendum result, it is not quite so easy to 'oppose' without also seeming to oppose the democratic will.  Like the Tories, Labour are also fundamentally divided over Brexit, and (in my view) much more divided over internal policy.  They have a leadership who are opposed by much of the 'experienced' party, and supported mostly by inexperienced recent intake.

Their leader is obstinate, uneducated, lazy (we hear on good authority), uninterested in any issues other than his own lefty agenda, has been a career 'opposer' even of his own party and has no experience outside his own little niche of left wing cronies.  There is no doubt in my mind he is a puppet with his strings controlled by others - McDonnell, McLusky, Seumas Milne, Jon Lansman.  He has also chosen to surround himself mainly with incompetents like Abbott, Thornberry, Onasanya, Osamoor - and has shunned those with real political experience (apart from Tom Watson).

They are trying to push an extreme left wing agenda that is supported by a very vocal and omni-present 'rent-a-mob' crowd of thugs who are definitely very anti semitic - and he panders to that, and the Champagne Socialists who are wealthy, privately educated.  Their traditional working class northern industrial community support doesn't want that.

IF they ever got into power, either the Civil Service Sir Humphrys would 'stall' them - or we would suffer a major collapse like Venezuela.

Fair summation I would say! 

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, panoma1 said:

Fair summation I would say! 

I always try to be fair 😉

[old man]

15 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Politicians (or at least very nearly all of them) have never had any concerns for anyone else;

• They will say almost anything to get elected
• They will actually do very little of what they promise
• They will preach 'wager restraint' (just to take an example) then award themselves large inflation beating wage rises
• They will claim as much as they possibly can on expenses (including 'employing' as many of the family as possible as salaried 'researchers') and make full use of their heavily subsidised bars and restaurants
• They will preach people need to save for their retirement - whilst awarding themselves generous state funded pensions - and when people do save, once there is enough to be worthwhile - they will stage a tax raid on those savings
• When they do come to retire they will award themselves 'honours' and possibly a £300 a day seat in the Lords

With very few exceptions, the whole political class are beneath the contempt of decent working folk who have paid for the whole corrupt system.

Absolutely true!

[Vince Green]

EU workers take money out of the country in large amounts. They come here specifically  to do that, it is their reason for being here. If the situation was reversed I would do it .

[12gauge82]

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1091027/speed-limiter-car-three-years-UK-EU

More control from the EU, if we stay in their club the UK will end up sleep walking into a dictatorship controlled by unelected control freaks, I find it genuinely frightening, especially with the technology able to monitor our every move these days. 

[Jaymo]

9 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1091027/speed-limiter-car-three-years-UK-EU

More control from the EU, if we stay in their club the UK will end up sleep walking into a dictatorship controlled by unelected control freaks, I find it genuinely frightening, especially with the technology able to monitor our every move these days. 

Having seen enough carnage on the roads and loss due to abuse of speed limits ( especially in built up areas), then I’m actually quite for this- never thought I would condone such an action, guess I’m getting as old as you lot 🙂

On a side note, loads of speed cameras here in a South of France have been ‘decommissioned ‘ by who, I don’t know, but hey are taped over and so I can only think it’s the yellow vest brigade? Have witnessed the protests on major interchanges here and all has been very very friendly, can only assume that ‘rent a mob’ is sticking to the major cities?

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Having seen enough carnage on the roads and loss due to abuse of speed limits ( especially in built up areas), then I’m actually quite for this- never thought I would condone such an action, guess I’m getting as old as you lot 🙂

On a side note, loads of speed cameras here in a South of France have been ‘decommissioned ‘ by who, I don’t know, but hey are taped over and so I can only think it’s the yellow vest brigade? Have witnessed the protests on major interchanges here and all has been very very friendly, can only assume that ‘rent a mob’ is sticking to the major cities?

I just find it all concerning, I'm not advocating speeding, but it's the big brother is watching which is creeping into every part of our lives I find worrying. 

[panoma1]

Speed cameras are presently, a cash making scam! If there were flashing warning signs triggered when someone is speeding, before they reach a speed trap/camera..........if they still don't slow down when they go through the actual speed camera/trap.......they deserve everything they get!

In my opinion, only then could they properly describe speed enforcement cameras/traps as a road safety measure!

[pinfireman]

21 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Politicians (or at least very nearly all of them) have never had any concerns for anyone else;

• They will say almost anything to get elected
• They will actually do very little of what they promise
• They will preach 'wager restraint' (just to take an example) then award themselves large inflation beating wage rises
• They will claim as much as they possibly can on expenses (including 'employing' as many of the family as possible as salaried 'researchers') and make full use of their heavily subsidised bars and restaurants
• They will preach people need to save for their retirement - whilst awarding themselves generous state funded pensions - and when people do save, once there is enough to be worthwhile - they will stage a tax raid on those savings
• When they do come to retire they will award themselves 'honours' and possibly a £300 a day seat in the Lords

With very few exceptions, the whole political class are beneath the contempt of decent working folk who have paid for the whole corrupt system.

Maybe it,s time to Drain the Swamp?

7 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

I can understand that; however I do (perhaps surprisingly as I am no supporter of Labour) have some sympathy.  The reason is that the opposition is there to 'oppose', and when the government is trying to carry out a referendum result, it is not quite so easy to 'oppose' without also seeming to oppose the democratic will.  Like the Tories, Labour are also fundamentally divided over Brexit, and (in my view) much more divided over internal policy.  They have a leadership who are opposed by much of the 'experienced' party, and supported mostly by inexperienced recent intake.

Their leader is obstinate, uneducated, lazy (we hear on good authority), uninterested in any issues other than his own lefty agenda, has been a career 'opposer' even of his own party and has no experience outside his own little niche of left wing cronies.  There is no doubt in my mind he is a puppet with his strings controlled by others - McDonnell, McLusky, Seumas Milne, Jon Lansman.  He has also chosen to surround himself mainly with incompetents like Abbott, Thornberry, Onasanya, Osamoor - and has shunned those with real political experience (apart from Tom Watson).

They are trying to push an extreme left wing agenda that is supported by a very vocal and omni-present 'rent-a-mob' crowd of thugs who are definitely very anti semitic - and he panders to that, and the Champagne Socialists who are wealthy, privately educated.  Their traditional working class northern industrial community support doesn't want that.

IF they ever got into power, either the Civil Service Sir Humphrys would 'stall' them - or we would suffer a major collapse like Venezuela.

The Civil Service Sir Humphreys would be sacked, and junior ranks with Lefty tendencies would be promoted! This bunch will NEVER listen to advice....they think they know it all...............

5 hours ago, Vince Green said:

EU workers take money out of the country in large amounts. They come here specifically  to do that, it is their reason for being here. If the situation was reversed I would do it .

Correct!

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

I just find it all concerning, I'm not advocating speeding, but it's the big brother is watching which is creeping into every part of our lives I find worrying. 

It’s wouldn’t be ‘big brother’ though would it- we have advances in technology and with gps and many new cars having FBW throttle,it’s really simple to achieve and isn’t something that is Policed by the government.

Its merely an extension to current features available on many new cars such as lane guidance- radar control for maintaining separation, Tesla’s autopilot.

Apart from the Tesla example, these ‘gadgets’ help contribute towards road safety. I often use the limiter function of the car and also cruise control on longer journeys 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Jaymo said:

It’s wouldn’t be ‘big brother’ though would it- we have advances in technology and with gps and many new cars having FBW throttle,it’s really simple to achieve and isn’t something that is Policed by the government.

Its merely an extension to current features available on many new cars such as lane guidance- radar control for maintaining separation, Tesla’s autopilot.

Apart from the Tesla example, these ‘gadgets’ help contribute towards road safety. I often use the limiter function of the car and also cruise control on longer journeys 

The article states  "Data loggers would also become mandatory to log breaches in the speed limit." 

I just find my car watching my every move a bit over the top, its the level of government control I object to, particularly when it's being stipulated by an unelected body in a foreign land. 

[old man]

Just another tool in the arsenal of total subjugation of the masses, very cleverly disguised within a difficult to argue against scenario? Never the less another twist of the rope? It will never stop until the objective is achieved? 

Rats surreptitiously nibbling cheese, one day all gone?

 

[das]

54 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The article states  "Data loggers would also become mandatory to log breaches in the speed limit." 

I just find my car watching my every move a bit over the top, its the level of government control I object to, particularly when it's being stipulated by an unelected body in a foreign land. 

A good auto electrician could  disable such junk as this👍

[Jaymo]

11 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

The article states  "Data loggers would also become mandatory to log breaches in the speed limit." 

I just find my car watching my every move a bit over the top, its the level of government control I object to, particularly when it's being stipulated by an unelected body in a foreign land. 

Your current smart phone is logging everything already.

You still don’t understand the way laws are ratified under the EU, do you! Individual member states have the right to veto, if the suggested law is contrary to the ‘states’ wishes.

We as a shooting community are probably oblivious to the EU regs that haven’t been adopted by the U.K. ( in some instances because the U.K. firearms act is more restrictive than the EU regs, but in other parts where it’s less, we haven’t adopted those parts) . why didn’t the Uk wish to align to the so called ‘EU masters’? Because you don’t have too. Just one of thousands of regulations that are requested but not ratified.

 

Edited February 24, 2019 by Jaymo

[Jaymo]

13 hours ago, pinfireman said:

Maybe it,s time to Drain the Swamp?

The Civil Service Sir Humphreys would be sacked, and junior ranks with Lefty tendencies would be promoted! This bunch will NEVER listen to advice....they think they know it all...............

Correct!

You don’t happen to read the ‘New Socialist’ do you? As post after post uses such similar language 🙂

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Jaymo said:

Your current smart phone is logging everything already.

You still don’t understand the way laws are ratified under the EU, do you! Individual member states have the right to veto, if the suggested law is contrary to the ‘states’ wishes.

We as a shooting community are probably oblivious to the EU regs that haven’t been adopted by the U.K. ( in some instances because the U.K. firearms act is more restrictive than the EU regs, but in other parts where it’s less, we haven’t adopted those parts) . why didn’t the Uk wish to align to the so called ‘EU masters’? Because you don’t have too. Just one of thousands of regulations that are requested but not ratified.

 

No I don't like my smartphone much either, but I don't carry it with me quite often, it's also my choice to own one, it'd be a bit tricky to decide not to own a car. 

I'm well aware of how the EU works thanks, I don't think you understand that the UK doesn't want to be a member anymore, I'm not happy with our government either but at least they are democratically elected and with the EU gone they can no longer have their arms twisted by them or hide behind the its the EUs fault either, when they want to push something unpopular through. 

[Dave-G]

So we shove our backsides up in the air again to get punished if we exceed 70MPH while much of europe has no speed limit on their motorways. Seems about the usual way EU shoves it up us. 

[pinfireman]

5 hours ago, Jaymo said:

You don’t happen to read the ‘New Socialist’ do you? As post after post uses such similar language 🙂

Is "New Socialist" a pseudonym for Momentum? And no, I don,t read it! I find that most newspapers Left of Centre are only fit for one thing...tearing into 6 x 4" squares, a hole punching in top left hand corner, string threaded through, and hung up behind the khazi door!

6 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Your current smart phone is logging everything already.

You still don’t understand the way laws are ratified under the EU, do you! Individual member states have the right to veto, if the suggested law is contrary to the ‘states’ wishes.

We as a shooting community are probably oblivious to the EU regs that haven’t been adopted by the U.K. ( in some instances because the U.K. firearms act is more restrictive than the EU regs, but in other parts where it’s less, we haven’t adopted those parts) . why didn’t the Uk wish to align to the so called ‘EU masters’? Because you don’t have too. Just one of thousands of regulations that are requested but not ratified.

 

and a move is afoot within the EU to remove the veto...!  So that would kill your argument stone dead?

[Newbie to this]

30 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

and a move is afoot within the EU to remove the veto...!  So that would kill your argument stone dead?

Yes, just ask Hungary and Poland. They have had their voting rights removed.

Edited February 24, 2019 by Newbie to this