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3 minutes ago, ditchman said:

god im  weeeed i dont care nnymore.........

Don't surrender, that's what they want, to bore us into submission!!

50 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/18/swiss-people-teaching-us-deal-eu-trade-ultimatum/

Switzerland approaches showdown time with Brussels, it either accepts closer integration/membership or loses the 'benefits' of the single market and customs union.

Benefits 🤔🤔

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23 hours ago, JRDS said:
  1. May says her deal means the UK leaves the EU next March. The Withdrawal Agreement makes a mockery of this. “All references to Member States and competent authorities of Member States…shall be read as including the United Kingdom.” (Art 6).
  2. Not quite what most people understand by Brexit. It goes on to spell out that the UK will be in the EU but without any MEPs, a commissioner or ECJ judges. We are effectively a Member State, but we are excused – or, more accurately, excluded – from attending summits. (Article 7)
  3. The European Court of Justice is decreed to be our highest court, governing the entire Agreement – Art. 4. stipulates that both citizens and resident companies can use it. Art 4.2 orders our courts to recognise this. “If the European Commission considers that the United Kingdom has failed to fulfil an obligation under the Treaties or under Part Four of this Agreement before the end of the transition period, the European Commission may, within 4 years after the end of the transition period, bring the matter before the Court of Justice of the European Union”. (Art. 87)
  4. The jurisdiction of the ECJ will last until eight years after the end of the transition period. (Article 158).
  5. The UK will still be bound by any future changes to EU law in which it will have no say, not to mention having to comply with current law. (Article 6(2))
  6. Any disputes under the Agreement will be decided by EU law only – one of the most dangerous provisions. (Article 168).
  7. This cuts the UK off from International Law, something we’d never do with any foreign body. Arbitration will be governed by the existing procedural rules of the EU law – this is not arbitration as we would commonly understand it (i.e. between two independent parties). (Article 174)
  8. “UNDERLINING that this Agreement is founded on an overall balance of benefits, rights and obligations for the Union and the United Kingdom” No, it should be based upon the binding legal obligations upon the EU contained within Article 50. It is wrong to suggest otherwise.
  9. The tampon tax clause: We obey EU laws on VAT, with no chance of losing the tampon tax even if we agree a better deal in December 2020 because we hereby agree to obey other EU VAT rules for **five years** after the transition period. Current EU rules prohibit 0-rated VAT on products (like tampons) that did not have such exemptions before the country joined the EU.
  10. Several problems with the EU’s definitions: “Union law” is too widely defined and “United Kingdom national” is defined by the Lisbon Treaty: we should given away our right to define our citizens. The “goods” and the term “services” we are promised the deal are not defined – or, rather, will be defined however the EU wishes them to be. Thus far, this a non-defined term so far. This agreement fails to define it.
  11. The Mandelson Pension Clause: The UK must promise never to tax former EU officials based here – such as Peter Mandelson or Neil Kinnock – on their E.U. pensions, or tax any current Brussels bureaucrats on their salaries. The EU and its employees are to be immune to our tax laws. (Article 104)
  12. Furthermore, the UK agrees not to prosecute EU employees who are, or who might be deemed in future, criminals (Art.101)
  13. The GDPR clause. The General Data Protection Regulation – the EU’s stupidest law ever? – is to be bound into UK law (Articles 71 to 73). There had been an expectation in some quarters that the UK could get out of it.
  14. The UK establishes a ‘Joint Committee’ with EU representatives to guarantee ‘the implementation and application of this Agreement’. This does not sound like a withdrawal agreement – if it was, why would it need to be subject to continued monitoring? (Article 164).
  15. This Joint Committee will have subcommittees with jurisdiction over: (a) citizens’ rights; (b) “other separation provisions”; (c) Ireland/Northern Ireland; (d) Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus; (e) Gibraltar; and (f) financial provisions. (Article 165)
  16. The Lifetime clause: the agreement will last as long as the country’s youngest baby lives. “the persons covered by this Part shall enjoy the rights provided for in the relevant Titles of this Part for their lifetime”. (Article 39).
  17. The UK is shut out of all EU networks and databases for security – yet no such provision exists to shut the EU out of ours. (Article 😎
  18. The UK will tied to EU foreign policy, “bound by the obligations stemming from the international agreements concluded by the Union” but unable to influence such decisions. (Article 124)
  19. All EU citizens must be given permanent right of residence after five years – but what counts as residence? This will be decided by the EU, rather than UK rules. (Articles 15-16)
  20. Britain is granted the power to send a civil servant to Brussels to watch them pass stupid laws which will hurt our economy. (Article 34)
  21. The UK agrees to spend taxpayers’ money telling everyone how wonderful the agreement is. (Article 37)
  22. Art 40 defines Goods. It seems to includes Services and Agriculture. We may come to discover that actually ‘goods’ means everything.
  23. Articles 40-49 practically mandate the UK’s ongoing membership of the Customs Union in all but name.
  24. The UK will be charged to receive the data/information we need in order to comply with EU law. (Article 50). The EU will continue to set rules for UK intellectual property law (Article 54 to 61). The UK will effectively be bound by a non-disclosure agreement swearing us to secrecy regarding any EU developments we have paid to be part. This is not mutual. The EU is not bound by such measures. (Article 74)
  25. The UK is bound by EU rules on procurement rules – which effectively forbids us from seeking better deals elsewhere. (Articles 75 to 78)
  26. We give up all rights to any data the EU made with our money (Art. 103)
  27. The EU decide capital projects (too broadly defined) the UK is liable for. (Art. 144)
  28. The UK is bound by EU state aid laws until future agreement – even in the event of an agreement, this must wait four years to be valid. (Article 93)
  29. Similar advantages and immunities are extended to all former MEPs and to former EU official more generally. (Articles 106-116)
  30. The UK is forbidden from revealing anything the EU told us or tells us about the finer points of deal and its operation. (Article 105).
  31. Any powers the UK parliament might have had to mitigate EU law are officially removed. (Article 128)
  32. The UK shall be liable for any “outstanding commitments” after 2022 (Article 142(2) expressly mentions pensions, which gives us an idea as to who probably negotiated this). The amount owed will be calculated by the EU. (Articles 140-142)
  33. The UK will be liable for future EU lending. As anyone familiar with the EU’s financials knows, this is not good. (Article143)
  34. The UK will remain liable for capital projects approved by the European Investment Bank. (Article 150).
  35. The UK will remain a ‘party’ (i.e. cough up money) for the European Development Fund. (Articles 152-154)
  36. And the EU continues to calculate how much money the UK should pay it. So thank goodness Brussels does not have any accountancy issues.
  37. The UK will remain bound (i.e coughing up money) to the European Union Emergency Trust Fund – which deals with irregular migration (i.e. refugees) and displaced persons heading to Europe. (Article 155)
  38. The agreement will be policed by ‘the Authority’ – a new UK-based body with ‘powers equivalent to those of the European Commission’. (Article 159)
  39. The EU admits, in Art. 184, that it is in breach of  Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which oblige it to “conclude an agreement” of the terms of UK leaving the EU. We must now, it seems, “negotiate expeditiously the agreements governing their future relationship.” And if the EU does not? We settle down to this Agreement.
  40. And, of course, the UK will agree to pay £40bn to receive all of these ‘privileges’. (Article 138)

Did May sign this or a retarded chimp?

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8 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Now were talking :good:

The thing stopping all of those things being possible, is the ultimate aims of the EU.

The sooner the whole population of Europe realise that the Brussels machine is NOT about protecting the rights and wants of the PEOPLE of Europe , or ensuring trade and commerce within and without Europe is smooth and seemless.

Its about protected the project, and ITS interests.
The Lisbon Treaty doesnt care about the ordinary man or woman, its about creating federal Europe, a superstate, that the vast majority do not want, and many do not even know its framework already exists.

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

 

Now does it become clear why we have to leave ASAP  ?

Very clear. Only a complete idiot would agree to this, I am  afraid that I would go through another World War rather than this. If May (or another of her minions) signed this, the only move for them is a secure padded cell in Rampton.

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24 minutes ago, das said:

Did May sign this or a retarded chimp?

 

4 minutes ago, das said:

Very clear. Only a complete idiot would agree to this, I am  afraid that I would go through another World War rather than this. If May (or another of her minions) signed this, the only move for them is a secure padded cell in Rampton.

This list above went 'viral' but is largely untrue  - see here for a view on this https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

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4 minutes ago, das said:

Very clear. Only a complete idiot would agree to this, I am  afraid that I would go through another World War rather than this. If May (or another of her minions) signed this, the only move for them is a secure padded cell in Rampton.

Its OK none of its true, a few lads went on FULL FACT and checked :whistling:

So lets be clear , the EU never lies, and none of its going to happen, except for some of it thats already happened.

 

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2 minutes ago, das said:

Very clear. Only a complete idiot would agree to this, I am  afraid that I would go through another World War rather than this. If May (or another of her minions) signed this, the only move for them is a secure padded cell in Rampton.

How many World Wars have you been through previously?

Anyway let's hope MPs are more proficient at filling out ballot papers than the general public appear to be...

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17 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

How many World Wars have you been through previously?

Anyway let's hope MPs are more proficient at filling out ballot papers than the general public appear to be...

Do you just post on here to wind people up? :no:

 

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The 40 Spectator picks are correct with their slant, the other list I don't think so.

Whichever way you look at it the backstop means they will never offer us any deal and we will continue paying with no say on laws or financial fees imposed upon us.  No deal is absolutely the only way but the traitors have us stitched up.  

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4 minutes ago, Scully said:

🤔Eh? 

MPs are filling out ballot papers on the indicative votes, apparently the public are not capable of doing that so we only get to vote on one thing at a time?

6 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

 

Do you just post on here to wind people up? 

 

feel free to ignore me

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1 hour ago, das said:

Very clear. Only a complete idiot would agree to this, I am  afraid that I would go through another World War rather than this. If May (or another of her minions) signed this, the only move for them is a secure padded cell in Rampton.

For gods sake man, get a grip, you were born in 1965 so you were 20 years too late to go through a World War. But hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant ! 

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49 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

MPs are filling out ballot papers on the indicative votes, apparently the public are not capable of doing that so we only get to vote on one thing at a time?

 

Or possibly not capable of voting for the result they want? 

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1 minute ago, oowee said:

Boris and Corbyn peas from the same pod? 

Its a bad deal, it does not deliver Brexit, it's a betrayal of the referendum but I will vote for it if I can get a shot at being PM. 🤣😊😂

 

No - Boris is only for Boris.  Corbyn is for his Lefty/commie/Venezuela style for Britain. 

Don't like either, but Corbyn would do more damage long term.

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5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

No - Boris is only for Boris.  Corbyn is for his Lefty/commie/Venezuela style for Britain. 

Don't like either, but Corbyn would do more damage long term.

:lol: Worse than the Tories have been over the last two years? Boris and Corbyn :lol: just like a real life Laurel and Hardy :lol:

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