BREXIT

[Gordon R]

He was muppet.

[oowee]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I was lucky enough to see it at a car boot the other day , 10 p , I walked on by , leaving it for someone less lucky than myself.

I was lucky enough to give my signed copy to Junko Matsumoto. 

[Rewulf]

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

I was lucky enough to give my signed copy to Junko Matsumoto. 

No , this was a Japanese woman at the car boot ..Oh wait 

[oowee]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

No , this was a Japanese woman at the car boot ..Oh wait 

Your joking me. The bitch after all she said 😞 

Funny how things come and go so quickly 

[Rewulf]

7 minutes ago, oowee said:

Funny how things come and go so quickly  

Thats what she said 

[Dave-G]

 

[panoma1]

I think people vote for the Labour Party for a variety of reasons but primarily because they are ordinary people (usually those that have little in comparison to others) desperate to believe the lie and illusion propagated by socialists, which promises a fairer society, they are without exception, disappointed when they find out those they put into power, are not what they believed them to be! Socialist MP’s and left wing activists feed the electorate lies, false promises and empty soundbites, whilst amassing personal wealth, advantage and privilege for themselves, at the electorates expense........as indeed, do the Tories!

Humans, generally are greedy, morally corrupt and selfish! People from all walks of life, including those we elect as MP’s, from whichever political divide, will always take any money, power and advantages they can get, after all, that’s usually how the rich got rich in the first place!

Worse than this, voters continue time and again, to vote for Labour hoping for a better, fairer society, persuading themselves ”it will be different this time”.....but anyone who has lived under a Labour government knows.........it never is!

Cynical? You bet I am!

[Raja Clavata]

3 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

 

At least this one doesn't have a black eye...

[Rewulf]

What a difference a few years make...

Ms Swinson has always been pro-EU, but has also said there are significant problems with it.

In 2008, she told MPs: “I am a pro-European, but the European Union is certainly not without its faults.” In particular, she said there should be “major reform” to the EU’s common fisheries policy and the common agricultural policy.

The same year, she voted for an in/out referendum on EU membership. This had been proposed by the then Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, who claimed it would be a “simple question”.

Ms Swinson told MPs: “The Liberal Democrats would like to have a referendum on the major issue of whether we are in or out of Europe… It would be welcome to have such a debate in the country.”

She repeated this sentiment again in 2009, saying: “It is time for the people of Britain to have their say on Europe.”

In 2010, she was re-elected to Parliament after standing on a Lib Dem manifesto that stated: “The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”

However, when an EU referendum was proposed again in 2011, Ms Swinson voted against it. As before, she was following the party line set by Nick Clegg, who claimed it was the wrong time to have a referendum because of the eurozone crisis.

In 2011 she married ex lib dem MP Duncan Hames, who now works for an anti corruption company that occasionally gives the EU a once over, always with a clean pass.
It also receives funding from the EU , and a Mr soros , but stresses there is no conflict of interest..

 

After losing her seat in 2015, Ms Swinson was not an MP when the EU referendum happened. But in 2017, she was was re-elected on a Lib Dem manifesto that promised a second referendum.

The manifesto acknowledged there was a “mandate to start negotiations to leave”, but said there should be a second referendum once a draft deal had been negotiated. “Every vote for the Liberal Democrats in this election is a vote to give the final say to the British people,” it said.

Ms Swinson herself also repeated calls for a second referendum.

But this policy has now been overturned.

After becoming Lib Dem leader in July 2019, she has now pledged to revoke Article 50 straight away – without even having a second referendum (if they get into government).

 

Jo Swinson , the gift that keeps on giving.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Zut alors!

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Jo Swinson , the gift that keeps on giving.

The EU have no business negotiating or even discussing negotiations with her.  Absolute disgrace even talking to anyone other than Her Majesty's Government (including it's authorused ministers and civil servants).  She CANNOT speak for the UK.  ONLY HMG can do that.

 

[das]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

What a difference a few years make...

Ms Swinson has always been pro-EU, but has also said there are significant problems with it.

In 2008, she told MPs: “I am a pro-European, but the European Union is certainly not without its faults.” In particular, she said there should be “major reform” to the EU’s common fisheries policy and the common agricultural policy.

The same year, she voted for an in/out referendum on EU membership. This had been proposed by the then Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, who claimed it would be a “simple question”.

Ms Swinson told MPs: “The Liberal Democrats would like to have a referendum on the major issue of whether we are in or out of Europe… It would be welcome to have such a debate in the country.”

She repeated this sentiment again in 2009, saying: “It is time for the people of Britain to have their say on Europe.”

In 2010, she was re-elected to Parliament after standing on a Lib Dem manifesto that stated: “The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”

However, when an EU referendum was proposed again in 2011, Ms Swinson voted against it. As before, she was following the party line set by Nick Clegg, who claimed it was the wrong time to have a referendum because of the eurozone crisis.

In 2011 she married ex lib dem MP Duncan Hames, who now works for an anti corruption company that occasionally gives the EU a once over, always with a clean pass.
It also receives funding from the EU , and a Mr soros , but stresses there is no conflict of interest..

 

After losing her seat in 2015, Ms Swinson was not an MP when the EU referendum happened. But in 2017, she was was re-elected on a Lib Dem manifesto that promised a second referendum.

The manifesto acknowledged there was a “mandate to start negotiations to leave”, but said there should be a second referendum once a draft deal had been negotiated. “Every vote for the Liberal Democrats in this election is a vote to give the final say to the British people,” it said.

Ms Swinson herself also repeated calls for a second referendum.

But this policy has now been overturned.

After becoming Lib Dem leader in July 2019, she has now pledged to revoke Article 50 straight away – without even having a second referendum (if they get into government).

 

Jo Swinson , the gift that keeps on giving.

This woman would have been burnt at the stake a few centuries ago.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

What a difference a few years make...

Ms Swinson has always been pro-EU, but has also said there are significant problems with it.

In 2008, she told MPs: “I am a pro-European, but the European Union is certainly not without its faults.” In particular, she said there should be “major reform” to the EU’s common fisheries policy and the common agricultural policy.

The same year, she voted for an in/out referendum on EU membership. This had been proposed by the then Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, who claimed it would be a “simple question”.

Ms Swinson told MPs: “The Liberal Democrats would like to have a referendum on the major issue of whether we are in or out of Europe… It would be welcome to have such a debate in the country.”

She repeated this sentiment again in 2009, saying: “It is time for the people of Britain to have their say on Europe.”

In 2010, she was re-elected to Parliament after standing on a Lib Dem manifesto that stated: “The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”

However, when an EU referendum was proposed again in 2011, Ms Swinson voted against it. As before, she was following the party line set by Nick Clegg, who claimed it was the wrong time to have a referendum because of the eurozone crisis.

In 2011 she married ex lib dem MP Duncan Hames, who now works for an anti corruption company that occasionally gives the EU a once over, always with a clean pass.
It also receives funding from the EU , and a Mr soros , but stresses there is no conflict of interest..

 

After losing her seat in 2015, Ms Swinson was not an MP when the EU referendum happened. But in 2017, she was was re-elected on a Lib Dem manifesto that promised a second referendum.

The manifesto acknowledged there was a “mandate to start negotiations to leave”, but said there should be a second referendum once a draft deal had been negotiated. “Every vote for the Liberal Democrats in this election is a vote to give the final say to the British people,” it said.

Ms Swinson herself also repeated calls for a second referendum.

But this policy has now been overturned.

After becoming Lib Dem leader in July 2019, she has now pledged to revoke Article 50 straight away – without even having a second referendum (if they get into government).

 

Jo Swinson , the gift that keeps on giving.

They amaze me, politicians. They are most certainly a breed apart. They are impervious to criticism and devoid of any sense of shame or loyalty, hypocritical liars and just totally totally devious beyond belief. 🙂 Lets just hope she gets left out in the cold when all this is done and dusted, and the general public make her fully aware of why. 

[oowee]

Intense negotiations now and fingers crossed there is some progress. At the same time as an industry back lash over proposals to weaken regulatory alignment post Brexit. Which ever way you look none of this looks good for UK prosperity (read services). 

 

[ditchman]

that joe swinson makes my skin crawl.............even more so than corbyn does , and thats saying something

[Raja Clavata]

20 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I dont , but it would appear most remainers do , as they constantly predict doom when we leave 😛

Where are the scenarios, models and data (credible ones) that predict anything but doom?

If no deal happens we are gonna take a hit,  the only question is how big of a one and when / if we will recover from it.

[Gordon R]

They remoaners never give up. The data, scenarios and models are all there, but they want someone else to find them. What will they do when we are out? 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

Where are the scenarios, models and data (credible ones) that predict anything but doom?

If no deal happens we are gonna take a hit,  the only question is how big of a one and when / if we will recover from it.

It's not just the financial hit its all the red tape stuff that is likely to make European travel that much more of a pain. Rather than the almost seamless way we can move about at the moment we will have to think about pensions, driving licences, vehicle standards, telephone, health care, pet passports, firearms licencing the every day stuff.

[Retsdon]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Intense negotiations now ....

Not so sure about that. The word that keeps being used is 'discussions', which in diplomacy-speak isn't quite the same thing as 'negotiations'. We'll see...

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

Where are the scenarios, models and data (credible ones) that predict anything but doom?

If no deal happens we are gonna take a hit,  the only question is how big of a one and when / if we will recover from it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't see how leaving will affect us, we won't notice a thing.

15 minutes ago, oowee said:

It's not just the financial hit its all the red tape stuff that is likely to make European travel that much more of a pain. Rather than the almost seamless way we can move about at the moment we will have to think about pensions, driving licences, vehicle standards, telephone, health care, pet passports, firearms licencing the every day stuff.

Honestly to the average person on the street none of that matters.

If your going on holiday to Europe you need a passport and insurance, so same as always.

If it's work related then you simply plan ahead.

[Retsdon]

35 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The data, scenarios and models are all there,

There's the belief based stuff put out by extreme free-market zealots like the Mises Institute and that crackpot Mitford, but I've never seen any properly researched impact study that does anything other than paint a very bleak picture. Perhaps you can post a couple of links.

[Dave-G]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

If no deal happens we are gonna take a hit,  the only question is how big of a one and when / if we will recover from it.

But we'll be taking a serious hit against self government, ability to choose who rules us, our monarch and seemingly our own direction over military matters too if more recent revelations that seem to be getting overlooked are true. Not forgetting the £39B, seems were getting well screwed either way.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Dave-G

[Scully]

4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

 

If no deal happens we are gonna take a hit,  the only question is how big of a one and when / if we will recover from it.

I'm of a more positive outlook really, but if it turns out we take a hit then we take a hit. In my opinion it will be well worth it to be free of this up and coming dictatorship. 

Capitalism will find a way to trade, that's what it's all about. 

[panoma1]

I think any deal Boris comes up with will disappoint everyone.....the best way for the UK to thrive after leaving the EU is with a clean “no deal” break! Free ourselves and owe em/give em nowt!

[DoolinDalton]

4 hours ago, oowee said:

It's not just the financial hit its all the red tape stuff that is likely to make European travel that much more of a pain. Rather than the almost seamless way we can move about at the moment we will have to think about pensions, driving licences, vehicle standards, telephone, health care, pet passports, firearms licencing the every day stuff.

Can you please explain each one in terms of what problems you foresee. As for firearms and pet passports, I would not have thought that these were a 'normal/regular' issue (as you put it 'the everyday stuff')  for many people.  Let's not forget either that the Europeans will also have to deal with the UK red tape. Still, it's keeping lots of civil servants, here and Europe in jobs!