TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Gordon Bennett! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Agreed but as a nigh on lifelong Tory voter I can’t see me ever voting for them again. Not voting is not an option to me so it’ll probably have to be Lib Dem. Oh dear you are going to upset a few with that kind of statement, are you deliberately trying to burst a few veins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Agreed but as a nigh on lifelong Tory voter I can’t see me ever voting for them again. Not voting is not an option to me so it’ll probably have to be Lib Dem. You'll learn - they are just left wing lieboor with strong green overtones these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, henry d said: Oh dear you are going to upset a few with that kind of statement, are you deliberately trying to burst a few veins? 😄 Not at all henry; we all vote the way we choose ( even my kids will do that even following a bribe! 😄) and then we honour the result, whatever that may be, because that is how democracy works; something which seems to have escaped those who lost the referendum result. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: You'll learn - they are just left wing lieboor with strong green overtones these days I’ll take being a learner over learned 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, henry d said: Oh dear you are going to upset a few with that kind of statement, are you deliberately trying to burst a few veins? Like I said, vote how you want, and reap what you sow. 7 minutes ago, Scully said: 😄 Not at all henry; we all vote the way we choose ( even my kids will do that even following a bribe! 😄) and then we honour the result, whatever that may be, because that is how democracy works; something which seems to have escaped those who lost the referendum result. 😉 Exactly. Can anyone who thinks that what labour and the lib dems/SNP have done is right and proper, more importantly democratic, point out to me, a time in the last 100 years, where a peoples vote has been so blatently ignored in this country ? 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: I’ll take being a learner over learned 👍 That starts with not repeating the mistakes of the past. Lib dems are notorious for not honouring election pledges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Interesting, although NOT unexpected! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/10/government-break-250-year-tradition-deny-john-bercow-peerage/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 I have no idea what example we are setting for future generations here, nor what the consequences will be for UK politics, but it’s akin to pre school really. If you can’t get what you want, throw a tantrum until you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Lib dems are notorious for not honouring election pledges. The students found this out the hard way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Its not as bad as all that, why not have a brexit referendum every three years, never be in or out of Europe. employ hundreds of people to waste thousands of hours negotiating our leaving or re-entry terms, all us old people will die to be replaced with new old people and so the natural circle of life goes on..and on...and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, islandgun said: Its not as bad as all that, why not have a brexit referendum every three years, never be in or out of Europe. employ hundreds of people to waste thousands of hours negotiating our leaving or re-entry terms, all us old people will die to be replaced with new old people and so the natural circle of life goes on..and on...and The Olympics and the World Cup are 4 yearly, and of course there would be very little chance of Scotland qualifying for any of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Mmmmmmmmmmh. So now it seems that when a vote is passed in favour of the country doing something and the country decides that is the way to go by the number of votes cast in favour of that return, - anyone can now go back to challenge the Government who are charged with seeing that vote through. And now those same remainers all say that BOJO is not allowing the full and democratic process to be upheld - in their favour????? Surely that is an absolute nonsense as regards the elecorate who democraticaly chose to leave the EU. In other words MPS do not give a toss regarding what the electorate wants or votes in favour of. Methinks heads will be rolling for many MPs in the coming times. Deliver what the country has asked for and do it very soon please. We never had all this Palaver when the Bliar took the country into a wasted war - and he was telling great porkies all down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Generations of discord lie ahead, as this will not go away with the current division in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 my view on this when you are right you are right (leave) - you only have that to stand by - that was the outcome of the referendum and that is fact when you are wrong (leavers) - you are wrong on so many levels that you can twist and turn countless ways to make your own version of the truth. You can vehemently defend that version of the truth that you are currently supporting - and as the leave vote has only that one thing to stand by - the remainers can choose multiple avenues of attack utilizing one of the many "fake" truths that they have contrived. The trouble is that "normal" people see through this (a few people that I know that voted remain are now supporting leave because of everything that has happened), but normal people are now getting few and far between in this snowflake society that we have become. Please don't think that I am attacking people here with this - everybody is allowed their own opinions on this issue - both sides have valid points etc - I am talking about our elected parliament, liberal elite and the media at large (with the odd exception) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, discobob said: my view on this when you are right you are right (leave) - you only have that to stand by - that was the outcome of the referendum and that is fact when you are wrong (leavers) - you are wrong on so many levels that you can twist and turn countless ways to make your own version of the truth. You can vehemently defend that version of the truth that you are currently supporting - and as the leave vote has only that one thing to stand by - the remainers can choose multiple avenues of attack utilizing one of the many "fake" truths that they have contrived. The trouble is that "normal" people see through this (a few people that I know that voted remain are now supporting leave because of everything that has happened), but normal people are now getting few and far between in this snowflake society that we have become. Please don't think that I am attacking people here with this - everybody is allowed their own opinions on this issue - both sides have valid points etc - I am talking about our elected parliament, liberal elite and the media at large (with the odd exception) Yes indeed friends of mine expressed exactly that view last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 20 hours ago, Retsdon said: This is a dream, not a plan. It's James Hacker.... No, there was never a conspiracy of any kind. Rather, given the constraints of May 's 'red lines' and the EU rules that govern the single market, (which the UK had a very large part in writing in the first place, it might be added) the WA was the best that the negotiators could come up with in the time available to them. How do YOU know there was no conspiracy? You have evidence? This week the UK reached agreements with South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, Eswatini and Mozambique for trade continuity after Brexit, ensuring deals will be signed worth £10 billion to the UK economy. These new countries mean that Liz Truss’ Department for International Trade has reached agreements in the last few months with 44 countries and the Palestinian Authority. Guido brings you the full, ever growing list along with their population and GDP here… Antigua and Barbuda 102,012 1.532 billion Bahamas 395,361 12.16 billion Barbados 285,719 4.797 billion Belize 374,681 1.838 billion Botswana 2.292 million 17.41 billion Chile 18.95 million 277.1 billion Colombia 49.07 million 309.2 billion Costa Rica 4.906 million 57.06 billion Dominica 73,925 562.5 million Dominican Republic 10.77 million 75.93 billion Ecuador 16.62 million 103.1 billion El Salvador 6.378 million 24.81 billion Eswatini 1.367 million 4.409 billion Faroe Islands 49,290 2.477 billion Fiji 905,502 5.061 billion Grenada 107,825 1.119 billion Guatemala 16.91 million 75.62 billion Guyana 777,859 3.676 billion Haiti 10.98 million 8.408 billion Honduras 9.265 million 22.98 billion Iceland 338,349 23.91 billion Israel 8.712 million 350.9 billion Jamaica 2.89 million 14.77 billion Korea 51.47 million 1.531 trillion Lesotho 2.233 million 2.639 billion Lichenstein 37,810 6.289 billion Madagascar 25.57 million 11.5 billion Mauritius 1.265 million 13.34 billion Mozambique 29.67 million 12.33 billion Namibia 2.534 million 13.24 billion Nicaragua 6.218 million 13.81 billion Norway 5.258 million 398.8 billion Palestinian Authority 4.817 million 15 billion Panama 4.099 million 61.84 billion Papua New Guinea 8.251 million 21.09 billion Peru 32.17 million 211.4 billion Seychelles 95,843 1.486 billion South Africa 56.72 million 349.4 billion St Kitts and Nevis 55,345 945.9 million St Lucia 178,844 1.712 billion St Vincent and the Grenadines 109,897 789.6 million Suriname 563,402 3.324 billion Switzerland 8.42 million 678.9 billion Trinidad and Tobago 1.369 million 22.1 billion Zimbabwe 16.53 million 17.85 billion Remainers said the UK would never sign these deals by Brexit day… SOURCE: Guido Fawkes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) So, taking our parliament as a precedent, if I get fined for something and I don't like it then can I simply get the law changed so I don't get fined? Edited September 11, 2019 by KFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Remoaners may think that the above Trade Deals are relatively small potatoes, but, as Mao once said, "The journey of 1,000 miles starts with the first step".....or, to quote Tesco, Every little bit helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, pinfireman said: Remoaners may think that the above Trade Deals are relatively small potatoes, but, as Mao once said, "The journey of 1,000 miles starts with the first step".....or, to quote Tesco, Every little bit helps! Or why have steak when an ‘Iceland’ beef burger will suffice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 Gina Miller appears to have authorised her lawyers to 'instruct' MPs to return to parliament ! https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1176714/gina-miller-court-case-prorogue-parliament-suspension-unlawful-brexit-news In true EU style, the unelected get to make the law and implement it now? I can just about get my head round the pseudo legality that removed the bargaining chip of no deal, via a bunch of MPs that without the support of the electorate, seek to prevent any meaningful Brexit. I struggle with the instruction from them to force the PM to ask for yet another extension, without any clear point to it, besides again , stopping us leaving altogether. Threatening the PM with PRISON , if he fails to comply with the above instructions, really ? “We note that the Prime Minister has stated in the Miller case that he "will take the necessary steps to comply with the terms of any declaration made by the court." (see paragraph 60 of the Prime Minister's Detailed Grounds and Skeleton Argument). “Accordingly, please inform us what steps will be taken to reconvene Parliament with immediate effect. “In our view, Parliament can simply resume its functions. We are copying this letter to the Speaker of both Houses of Parliament and to the claimants in the Scottish action. Last week, Ms Miller said she "stands for everyone" after the High Court threw out her own case against Mr Johnson over his decision to shut down Parliament. Do you not find it funny, that when the remainers want something passing, they seem to get it very quickly ? Literally without pausing for breath, allowing for any appeal process, they want the law overturning, and parliament reconvened immediately. TO DO WHAT ? Parliament has been prorogued 4 DAYS earlier than usual ! what was so important about those 4 days ? It will reconvene 2 weeks later than usual, what is so important about that ? The fabled no confidence motion isnt going to happen , because that leads to an election, and we dont want one of those do we, they might kick their undemocratic bottoms out of those comfy seats ? So what exactly makes this court case so news worthy today ? And why should Parliament reconvene for 2 days ? Because Gina Miller says so ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 As I was leaving for work this evening I had a copy of the Brexiteer through my letterbox! I look forward to seeing what it says. Interesting to hear reports of No 10 refusing to do a deal with the Brexit Party to ensure a tactical placement of assets, very disapointing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Interesting to hear reports of No 10 refusing to do a deal with the Brexit Party to ensure a tactical placement of assets, very disapointing! Could it be they think they would be turkeys voting for Christmas if they went into a partnership?? Personally I think it would be the other way - it will only dilute the leave vote and may see the undemocratic lot get in - although it would be a coalition of 3 parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 hello, i hear the Labour party are going all out to remain, what about all those trade union supporters who voted for brexit feel about that, i would cancel my union membership payment or the % that goes to the Labour party funds, any thoughts PW members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: As I was leaving for work this evening I had a copy of the Brexiteer through my letterbox! I look forward to seeing what it says. Interesting to hear reports of No 10 refusing to do a deal with the Brexit Party to ensure a tactical placement of assets, very disapointing! hello, did you see the reply from a Conservative member on Mr Farage, !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 11, 2019 Report Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i hear the Labour party are going all out to remain, what about all those trade union supporters who voted for brexit feel about that, i would cancel my union membership payment or the % that goes to the Labour party funds, any thoughts PW members We did it over a decade ago (FBU), you can opt out of the labour party percentage, easy peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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