TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 I see Tony B. Liar is spouting his carp again. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/tony-blair-urges-labour-to-ditch-jeremy-corbyn-misguided-ideology They as a party have to accept the problem, remove him and the Momentum group and START AGAIN to regain the trust of the ordinary working man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I see Tony B. Liar is spouting his carp again. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/tony-blair-urges-labour-to-ditch-jeremy-corbyn-misguided-ideology They as a party have to accept the problem, remove him and the Momentum group and START AGAIN to regain the trust of the ordinary working man. Alan Johnson nailed it, 'student politics'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Sadly for once, and it is hard to say it, he is probably telling the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 I'm with Yellow Bear - there was a time when the Labour Party stood for a set of values that people could relate to, now lost. Sometimes an organisation is so fundamentally screwed up that no one wants to admit that the personalities involved are no longer suitable for leadership - that's the Labour party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonSalop Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 They assume that voters will blindly believe what they are promised or told. How wrong they have been proven to be. The average voter (no matter left or right) is better educated and informed than for example, the tribal voter of the 70's. And yet there's a paradox there - no-one believes Boris when he keeps up the mantra of "400 hospitals" etc. And yet we (including me) knowing this, still voted for him. I'm now trying to work out if I'm even more stupid than HRH thinks I am...... Blair is right - the party needs to accept the fact that UK population will not vote in a hard-left government. Rip it up and start again. Hopefully it will take them a couple of years to come up with something, thus allowing Boris an unimpeded run at getting stuff done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 It's along time since I agreed with Tony Blair, but he has nailed it this time. It's no use trying to win left or right wing voters, they need the floating voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I see Tony B. Liar is spouting his carp again. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/tony-blair-urges-labour-to-ditch-jeremy-corbyn-misguided-ideology They as a party have to accept the problem, remove him and the Momentum group and START AGAIN to regain the trust of the ordinary working man. Not a Blair fan but he is just telling it as it is, Corbyn and his left-wing cronies need to go if Labour are to stand any chance of being electable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I see Tony B. Liar is spouting his carp again. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/18/tony-blair-urges-labour-to-ditch-jeremy-corbyn-misguided-ideology They as a party have to accept the problem, remove him and the Momentum group and START AGAIN to regain the trust of the ordinary working man. Not surprising he would say this. After all, he emerged from nowhere as the moderate face of Labour when the last bunch of loony lefties were purged by the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 He also acknowledged that the Labour party not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum was a significant contributor in their loss, quite insightful really given his ardent campaigning and posturing against that result ever since it was announced 🤔 Raises many a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Penelope said: Alan Johnson nailed it, 'student politics'. Absolutely 100% Alan Johnson, regardless of your views on his political leanings has always been a traditional Socialist and personally I believe he would make a good Leader but I hope they elect Thornberry and we can rest assured of another Conservative win in 5yrs time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 I hope they 're elect corbyn again, just for a laugh. I'd bet he would accept too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 It shows how bad things have come to when Tony Baloney becomes the voice of reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 9 hours ago, old'un said: Not a Blair fan but he is just telling it as it is, Corbyn and his left-wing cronies need to go if Labour are to stand any chance of being electable. He certainly is. It's amusing and Blair has commented himself, that they are unwilling to listen to the advice of the only man in the last 45 years to bring Labour an election victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said: He certainly is. It's amusing and Blair has commented himself, that they are unwilling to listen to the advice of the only man in the last 45 years to bring Labour an election victory. They won't go, and that tells us everything we need to know about "the project" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Vince Green said: They won't go, and that tells us everything we need to know about "the project" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 How he has the Gaul to open his mouth after the lies he spouted about Iraq is beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 If labour had not gone for a second referendum, they would not have lost the seats they did, and the result might ( a big MIGHT) have been different . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 the Corbyn factor had a huge effect, people just didn't like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 For good and sound reason. Aside from his very dodgy past, he is a limited, surly individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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