figgy Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just watched a clip on sky news if the Ozzy PM being told to f off and he's not wanted people shouting go on F off. As he walks to his car and goes away. Feelings running Highland he is getting blame for not putting enough resources into the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Quite a few fires are raging about 20km from where my daughter lives 😬 the past few weeks have been a bit stressful with wanting constant updates……… Understandable that the resources are stretched though😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 What could he do? Sooner people realise bush fires, earth quacks, and volcanoes etc happen the better! Its a bit like people ranting about the roads here when it snows but no one wants to pay to have the gritters and snow ploughs just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, bluesj said: What could he do? Sooner people realise bush fires, earth quacks, and volcanoes etc happen the better! Its a bit like people ranting about the roads here when it snows but no one wants to pay to have the gritters and snow ploughs just in case I heard about those big ducks😂 (Sorry, I couldn't resist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, KB1 said: I heard about those big ducks😂 (Sorry, I couldn't resist) 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, figgy said: Just watched a clip on sky news if the Ozzy PM being told to f off and he's not wanted people shouting go on F off. As he walks to his car and goes away. Feelings running Highland he is getting blame for not putting enough resources into the fight. hello, i see that figgy and dont forget in all this terrible situation he went on holiday !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Im amazed a world crisis has not been called.. Why cant other countries help, including the armed forces ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 As above, this is another major disaster that needs world resources to deal with the problem fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 Lots of these bush fires are started by people. So not a natural disaster. As housing moved out into bush land the fire breaks have not been maintained and the controlled burning. Much like here too much cost cutting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 i put a post on here back in October regarding fires out there as we have family serving in RFS , yes few starting deliberately , one started by arson then the rfs had to save the arsonist house from the fire he had started hes in jail at the waiting trial ,then they were fighting 1 fire 2x size of Hampshire ,no mention on national news here unlike the Californian fires that were half the size ,until someone died ,the fires being shown on tv at the mo had already happened up coast in NSW fires meeting the sea etc , lots started by embers travelling on the wind some parts of NSW been on drought for 4 years , A mate in Adellaide says they have fires in the mountains there now . as for the PM well what an A hole ,apparantyley already turned down aid from Canada etc before going off on his holiday s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Fires that reproduce themselves. https://www.sciencealert.com/the-bushfires-in-australia-are-so-big-they-re-generating-their-own-weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 I don't know a lot about it, but I read that the bush used to be control burned and fire breaks maintained, but that has been stopped in recent times for 'environmental reasons' (or cost savings depending on who you listen to). I find it hard to believe that where the areas are so VAST as they are in Australia - that the bush could be 'maintained', but it is what some are saying. Others have said it has been too dry to do controlled burns safely. Reminds me of our moors that burned so badly due to lack of proper regular management by controlled burn at a low risk time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I don't know a lot about it, but I read that the bush used to be control burned and fire breaks maintained... I believe they just burned away uncontrolled before white people arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, henry d said: I believe they just burned away uncontrolled before white people arrived. I guess the aborigines had more sense that to build their homes in the middle of a fire zone. you wouldn't see us building in a flood zone! oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: I don't know a lot about it, but I read that the bush used to be control burned and fire breaks maintained, but that has been stopped in recent times for 'environmental reasons' (or cost savings depending on who you listen to). I find it hard to believe that where the areas are so VAST as they are in Australia - that the bush could be 'maintained', but it is what some are saying. Others have said it has been too dry to do controlled burns safely. Reminds me of our moors that burned so badly due to lack of proper regular management by controlled burn at a low risk time of year. I believe the indigenous people of what is now Yellowstone National Park also started fires millennia ago, for numerous reasons, and the authorities tried putting an end to it for similar reasons as you mention above. The result was that growth became dense and when the inevitable fire broke out the fires burned much more intensely and closer to the ground than previously, with much more dire results. I watched a programme just before Christmas regarding Australia’s flora and fauna, and it indeed showed aborigines starting bush fires in the uppermost NW regions, with a Black Hawk ( referred to locally as the Firebird ) picking up burning embers to drop elsewhere to start yet more fires in order to feed on the resultant fleeing prey. Interesting programme. Edited January 3, 2020 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scully said: I believe the indigenous people of what is now Yellowstone National Park also started fires millennia ago, for numerous reasons, and the authorities tried putting an end to it for similar reasons as you mention above. The result was that growth became dense and when the inevitable fire broke out the fires burned much more intensely and closer to the ground than previously, with much more dire results. I watched a programme just before Christmas regarding Australia’s flora and fauna, and it indeed showed aborigines starting bush fires in the uppermost NW regions, with a Black Hawk ( referred to locally as the Firebird ) picking up burning embers to drop elsewhere to start yet more fires in order to feed on the resultant fleeing prey. Interesting programme. Must have learnt it from the White people Edited January 3, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Big parts of the country are going through the worst drought ever, (as far as white men know) so not able to do controlled burns as it hasn’t been safe. It is now exceptionally hot and dry with more fuel lying around than usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: I don't know a lot about it, but I read that the bush used to be control burned and fire breaks maintained, but that has been stopped in recent times for 'environmental reasons' (or cost savings depending on who you listen to). I find it hard to believe that where the areas are so VAST as they are in Australia - that the bush could be 'maintained', but it is what some are saying. Others have said it has been too dry to do controlled burns safely. Reminds me of our moors that burned so badly due to lack of proper regular management by controlled burn at a low risk time of year. Every district or shire as they are known has strict rules concerning fires , usually signalled by road signage telling of risks anyone caught breaking them are in serious trouble ,as I posted earlier regarding arson ,floating embers in the wind another factor I’d fag butts being tossed out of car windows are another fire hazard this has now been made a criminal offence , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 The whole thing is very sad, can't believe people were not cutting fire breaks on their own property! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taileron Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 21 hours ago, biketestace said: Why cant other countries help, including the armed forces ?? What armed forces? Hardly any left in the UK. Those that are left are utterly miserable and counting down the days. When I was a fireman a few years back ( op fresco ) we were provided with knackered old appliances, virtually zero training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 21 hours ago, biketestace said: Im amazed a world crisis has not been called.. Why cant other countries help, including the armed forces ?? Amazing isn’t it? The lack of support shown by fellow developed countries is not good. NZ has pledged what they can and yet Indonesia, that Australia send over $600 millions in support a year, hasn’t even sent a blanket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 21 hours ago, biketestace said: Im amazed a world crisis has not been called.. Why cant other countries help, including the armed forces ?? Apparently others offered assistance but pm turned it down more interested on going on holiday then can’t understand why he gets a hostile reception from those affected 22 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: The whole thing is very sad, can't believe people were not cutting fire breaks on their own property! Difficult where uncle is on the side of the hill with trees all around the leaf litter is impossible to clear ,last time I was there power company where clearing weeds etc from power lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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henry d Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: The whole thing is very sad, can't believe people were not cutting fire breaks on their own property! Even if you cut fire breaks all it needs is a spark to land in the litter or brush to start it off again. It's also quite a thing to see how forest fires can move, a lot tend to jump from top to top very fast due to the wind leaving the rest of the tree to burn from the top down and it's not unknown for the breaks to be breached too. In extreme cases you just have to retreat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Fire breaks are ineffective due to winds and temperatures they’ve found burnt leaves on a beach from a rain forest 40+ miles away and that’s the trouble one ember from 40 miles away will start another fire and that just carry’s on the cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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