Remimax Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) I see North Wales Police as asking for a medical report to be supplied by the Applicant for FAC and SGC from funny enough 1st April this year. is this the norm across the country now ?.renewed mine last year so be a while before a trip to the Docs and the compulsory nut sack & cough.:) Edited January 26, 2020 by Remimax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) From what I read on this and other forums YEP! Don't think they will be interested in your nuts though. Edited January 26, 2020 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 Thought BASC had something published recently about this and how to counter it. @David BASC might be able to say if I've lost the plot or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: Thought BASC had something published recently about this and how to counter it. @David BASC might be able to say if I've lost the plot or not. BASC are just offering a service where you pay a GP that they put you in touch with to do the letter. It is not a way to counter it. It is for those whose GP will not play ball or want an extortionate fee. Edited January 26, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: BASC are just offering a service where you pay a GP that they put you in touch with to do the letter. It is not a way to counter it. It is for those whose GP will not play ball or want an extortionate fee. Ah, so not as good as I thought. Seems they (the authorities) want to say we're loons until proven otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambam1962 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 I had my SGC renewal back last week from South Wales Police a week earlier than expected. I had to wait 6 weeks for my GP to have guidance from the Medical Council to decide whether they would fill in the form and return to the Firearms Dept. My GP is going to charge between £150 - £200 for the information. As I was only the second person to have this done since the new information is required, I was only charged £50 because I had to wait 6 weeks. To be honest the GP was quick after having the confirmation and guidance from the Medical Council and rang me immediately to tell me they had sent the email to the Firearms Dept. I was interviewed by 2 officers a week earlier on renewal and was told the interview was being recorded on the officers body camera. I had no objections as I had nothing to hide. I thought it was a bit over the top . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 far easier to get tough on reasonable members of society who by our very nature comply with all the additional regulations than go after real criminals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Have to say it all seems WAY over the top. I'm in northern ireland and on one of my renewals I had to put down that I had been on anti depressants for a while and was off them now etc. The firearms dept contacted my doctor for some information about that. Well my gp called me up and we arranged an appointment and we filled things in together so she was satisfied I was of no risk etc an all that. No charges or anything for it as it's not really a medical exam of me it was just going thru notes making sure all was in order and they emailed or sent the letter off. Renewal was processed as normal with no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 this is a ploy by the police to shift blame onto a gp should things go wrong which will fail the first time they try it because a gp will call endless experts who will confirm your state of mind can change in a instant and the tax payer will then have a huge bill for compensation to the gp common sense and the police have always been strangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just to confirm its a check of the declaration you make with your application / renewal re your medical history and issues you have or have not had re certain types of illness, its not a full medical like you need for life insurance etc. The final decision to grant or not rests with the police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 like the final decision will stop them trying to blame gps as we are already asked to allow the police to contact our gps the only reason for this is as i said a ploy to avoid blame basc always were to friendly with the police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 mine is up in February , filled everything in , just have to wait and see, cheque cashed, clayshooter on sunday said gp billed his police , then the police billed him by text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambam1962 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Hi David BASC, my GP is against shooting and Country Sports and he told me, he was only going to participate because of the large number of farmers within the community and the practice would suffer if they didn't sign the questionnaire required by the Police in the future. He is one of six GPs at the practice, but he is the one who is going to sign the questionnaires from the Police . I find it hard to believe I can have access to my medical files from my GP and at no charge, but to sign my medical questionnaire it is £150 - £200. At one stage after after countless phone calls from the Police, regarding the form not being signed and returned to them by the GP, I was going to contact BASC. Can you tell me what the BASC medical members are charging for this service ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, Shambam1962 said: Hi David BASC, my GP is against shooting and Country Sports and he told me, he was only going to participate because of the large number of farmers within the community and the practice would suffer if they didn't sign the questionnaire required by the Police in the future. He is one of six GPs at the practice, but he is the one who is going to sign the questionnaires from the Police . I find it hard to believe I can have access to my medical files from my GP and at no charge, but to sign my medical questionnaire it is £150 - £200. At one stage after after countless phone calls from the Police, regarding the form not being signed and returned to them by the GP, I was going to contact BASC. Can you tell me what the BASC medical members are charging for this service ? If @David BASC doesn't get back to you, these guys may be able to help. https://medcert.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 21 hours ago, Shambam1962 said: I had my SGC renewal back last week from South Wales Police a week earlier than expected. I had to wait 6 weeks for my GP to have guidance from the Medical Council to decide whether they would fill in the form and return to the Firearms Dept. My GP is going to charge between £150 - £200 for the information. As I was only the second person to have this done since the new information is required, I was only charged £50 because I had to wait 6 weeks. To be honest the GP was quick after having the confirmation and guidance from the Medical Council and rang me immediately to tell me they had sent the email to the Firearms Dept. I was interviewed by 2 officers a week earlier on renewal and was told the interview was being recorded on the officers body camera. I had no objections as I had nothing to hide. I thought it was a bit over the top . Bit over the top is a understatement mate,i live on the wirral and my authority is merseyside,they have been requesting the letters since last year,i have a great gp it cost nothing,he said they are your records so why would we charge you,i droped off the letter on monday it was ready by thursday,if he can do it for free why cant other gps do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Evening. there us no fixed fee but it will be way below what your GP is asking! Just give our firearms team a call on 01244 573010 and they will help point you in the right direction. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, David BASC said: Evening. there us no fixed fee but it will be way below what your GP is asking! Just give our firearms team a call on 01244 573010 and they will help point you in the right direction. David would we be asked what our GP wanted to charge?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, gemini52 said: Bit over the top is a understatement mate,i live on the wirral and my authority is merseyside,they have been requesting the letters since last year,i have a great gp it cost nothing,he said they are your records so why would we charge you,i droped off the letter on monday it was ready by thursday,if he can do it for free why cant other gps do it. My GP was the same, handed it in ready 3 days later no charge, after hearing all the horror stories in Scotland was not sure what to expect but mine were excellent as were the police, the whole renewal process was problem free and quick Edited January 28, 2020 by button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I don't think it matters what you GP wanted to charge, the issue is the GP on the BASC list will simply request access to your records and check them against the declaration you made on the form from the ploice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 If your in North East Wales - try Bradley Practice - there is a Dr there that has very close ties to the shooting community - @David BASC will know some of his ties 😉 👍 I was a bit lucky then as my renewal was last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) FEOs are pretty good at judging character but you can put what you like on the application form. They can only check your police record. Surely it's good that they ask for a second opinion on details they cant be aware of. For instance that you actually are a screaming nut case only held together with medication. It's the doctors who "in some cases" are causing bother! Before you post be aware that for nearly ten years I worked for the NHS around "not with" patients in a mental home. Some of who were far better educated than me and with medication appeared perfectly normal but would not be trusted with anything pointy. Edited January 28, 2020 by DUNKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taileron Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 I’m with West Mercia, considering how busy they are the service is faultless. Renewal has just been done, the majority done on line. My GP received a letter 3 days after I submitted my renewal and I was not charged for his response. My buddy who lives just down the road applied for his and his Mrs initial application. His GP wanted £150 each for what amounts to 10 mins work. Nice earner if you can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klatuveradanikto Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just had my SGC renewed in Cheshire, fee was £45, it said on the renewal form medical records are not acceptable you must have a statement from your doctor, however it went on to say the ultimate decision in granting a licence lies solely with Cheshire police. As regards cost my brother who is in a different surgery 2 miles from my surgery has been quoted £150 for the same service, so he's moving to my surgery and saving himself £105. The whole doctor thing needs to be nationally organised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 I agree. It's not acceptable that there now exists a post code lottery. It is very regrettable that shooters have been left in this situation and BASC will continue to strive to find a solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, David BASC said: I agree. It's not acceptable that there now exists a post code lottery. It is very regrettable that shooters have been left in this situation and BASC will continue to strive to find a solution. The solution surely is for BASC to take the matter to the high court and get it settled/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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