Some People are just daft

[Jim Neal]

I thought we'd got past all this stupidity and moved on....

It seems the forum has been lacking a resident Hitler for a few weeks and someone needed to fill the gap.

[welsh1]

8 minutes ago, Jim Neal said:

I thought we'd got past all this stupidity and moved on....

It seems the forum has been lacking a resident Hitler for a few weeks and someone needed to fill the gap.

And there we have it Godwin's law invoked ,discussion over 🤣🤣

[Saltings]

I live in the outskirts of Coventry    the drug dealers are out same as ever  and up until last Thursday  traffic in the area was minimal however since then  busier than ever what's happened  not back to work as all traffic is mid morning onwards while numerous people in said cars wear masks    I can only guess the novelty of walking has wore off or they have used up all their panic buy bog roll and pasta     not to mention minority groups cant go to temple but having some huge family  get togethers    a Romain family and really good neighbours   had app 20 people round for a party  they were wearing masks the week before but not since   is appears most are getting bored of lockdown   have seen a dog walked by five different people I have never seen before or the dog  if this keeps happening    lockdown will be longer  as other countries have shown us  

[Saltings]

on a tangent re builders merchants in the area   if you have a trade acc    click and collect or delivery     if joe public delivery only     but the builders get priority over others      be advised   B & Q charge full recommended retail  any builders merchant inc vat app 1/3 of the cost  at B & Q  click and collect acc available at screwfix / toolstation / or order on evilbay   have it delivered while you get on with other jobs  (time management a + )     planning   saves  time and money        on line purchases  or a 10p phone call to a local supplier     saves money and in time for next week and after     planning saves   money every time         walking round shops like its a Sunday is killing time  you cant get back    and costs £       take some advice I have the t shirt for over 30  + yrs shop around  research what you are doing      if you haven't don it before get some local recommended  help   and work with them  free labour   you will be proud of what you have achieved  and saved a £   given present times if it takes you 10 days instead of 6 does it matter  we are on lockdown  jobs about the home are endless ask her indoors  while you toil she says you missed a bit while doing makeup and a coffee  as blokes we are doomed I tell you   all I can say  is        (work smart )

[KB1]

If they didn't enforce a 'semi' lockdown we could have been experiencing some grim figures by now……….. who knows?  I feel for Boris, as without a crystal ball he's damned either way in many peoples eyes.

I'm a prime candidate for a respirator if I get it, so I'm quite happy to stay at home…… but I'm also fortunate in that I can afford it for a while longer.  My heart goes out to the many that can't, or are confined to a small place, and can understand that their needs are different…….. so I wouldn't rush to judge.

I wish good health to all of you, regardless of your stance🙏  

[Saltings]

1 hour ago, KB1 said:

If they didn't enforce a 'semi' lockdown we could have been experiencing some grim figures by now……….. who knows?  I feel for Boris, as without a crystal ball he's damned either way in many peoples eyes.

I'm a prime candidate for a respirator if I get it, so I'm quite happy to stay at home…… but I'm also fortunate in that I can afford it for a while longer.  My heart goes out to the many that can't, or are confined to a small place, and can understand that their needs are different…….. so I wouldn't rush to judge.

I wish good health to all of you, regardless of your stance🙏  

only god could help us if Corbin was in charge            thank god he's not                  I'm in the same boat as you not been out in 5 weeks if I catch it   I can kiss my *** goodbye  a friend of mine 70 + inc mrsis in the same boat           borris is ******** either way by the media  too late too early while the public have a jolly nobody accepts blame for their actions  narrow minded self centered individuals as long as it doesn't affect them its a holiday   as soon as it does bo ho on the tv   great auntie died  chav parties     minority groups get together for Ramadan some don't get it    and blame   nhs  when all they have to do is stay at home for a few weeks       I could spit   and spit again   what don't people get   god help us when mac   d does a drive through       when the government says stay at home to save lives they mean it         chavs means party  10 people from London going to climb Snowdonia  4 chavs in an audit a 4 no licence no ins no mot        found drugs etc           not to mention house party's    slap on the verbal wrist carry on  yet you scum  no price to pay        bring back the birch I say 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Saltings

[12gauge82]

People are spouting what is and isn't an essential journey on here like it's law, it's up to an individual to decide if their journey is really essential and for them to justify it to the police if stopped. I find it interesting the amount of armchair coppers on here who all believe they personally have the right to decide who can leave the house and for what reasons, like I said earlier, a job with the anti shooting lot wouldn't go amiss, they have the same mindset.

[Jaymo]

9 hours ago, Old farrier said:

My sympathy to you 

Are they spreading the virus I don’t know but I do know it’s spread around the world and the less it spreads the sooner it’ll be over 

Is it spread by people in cars ? 
I would say yes 

is teaching your daughter to drive a essential journey? 
I would say no 

is it responsible for you to do it on a school campus with residential students? 
ill leave you to answer that 

 

9 hours ago, lancer425 said:

Can you tell us they are not spreading the virus. ????

 

 

 

If you seem to believe that by being contained in a vehicle that they are spreading the virus then yes, it’s a possibility if say they are ‘carriers’ and have the windows down whilst coughing/sneezing.

But if that’s the case then I hope to hell you haven’t dared open a window of your house in case a neighbour has done the same.

Bet you all have received and handled post from your Postie??? That’s been through several hands and so if your logic that someone in a vehicle could somehow spread a virus on ‘open ground’ then ‘boom-game over’ 

Every bit of food stuff packaging, have you disinfected it? Do you live in a passive house, hermetically sealed? 
 

Having had a lovely nights sleep the only things that I can think that are wrong about this driving lesson. Is it was on Private Property and do we need any more women drivers 🙂 (that’s a joke people, except when it comes to my wife’s motoring skills)

[Old farrier]

6 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

 

If you seem to believe that by being contained in a vehicle that they are spreading the virus then yes, it’s a possibility if say they are ‘carriers’ and have the windows down whilst coughing/sneezing.

But if that’s the case then I hope to hell you haven’t dared open a window of your house in case a neighbour has done the same.

Bet you all have received and handled post from your Postie??? That’s been through several hands and so if your logic that someone in a vehicle could somehow spread a virus on ‘open ground’ then ‘boom-game over’ 

Every bit of food stuff packaging, have you disinfected it? Do you live in a passive house, hermetically sealed? 
 

Having had a lovely nights sleep the only things that I can think that are wrong about this driving lesson. Is it was on Private Property and do we need any more women drivers 🙂 (that’s a joke people, except when it comes to my wife’s motoring skills)

Thanks for the reply 

I don’t live in a passive house 

I do open the window 

iv had post 

and I haven’t disinfected my food 

like most of the population 

I also haven’t been out on unnecessary journeys teaching family members to drive 

anyway work now 

with the additional risks it now involves under the current guidelines and protocols 

all the best 

of 

[welsh1]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

People are spouting what is and isn't an essential journey on here like it's law, it's up to an individual to decide if their journey is really essential and for them to justify it to the police if stopped. I find it interesting the amount of armchair coppers on here who all believe they personally have the right to decide who can leave the house and for what reasons, like I said earlier, a job with the anti shooting lot wouldn't go amiss, they have the same mindset.

As you say it's up to you to justify what you are doing to the police if stopped, good luck.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/someone-going-crab-fishing-tenby-18072984

 

 

Just so we all remember what essential means.

essential

 

 

1. 1.

   absolutely necessary; extremely important.

[AVB]

14 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

 

Just so we all remember what essential means.

essential

 

 

1. 1.

   absolutely necessary; extremely important.

And who decides necessity  or importance? Of course It’s  the individual concerned. It’s subjective and for them to justify to the police if needed, and if the police want to take it further then to the courts. 
 

I suspect if push came to shove there would be a long and expensive court case to decide on these if somebody wanted to take it far enough. 

[welsh1]

7 minutes ago, AVB said:

And who decides necessity  or importance? Of course It’s  the individual concerned. It’s subjective and for them to justify to the police if needed, and if the police want to take it further then to the courts. 
 

I suspect if push came to shove there would be a long and expensive court case to decide on these if somebody wanted to take it far enough. 

 

[12gauge82]

47 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

As you say it's up to you to justify what you are doing to the police if stopped, good luck.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/someone-going-crab-fishing-tenby-18072984

 

 

Just so we all remember what essential means.

essential

 

 

1. 1.

   absolutely necessary; extremely important.

Quite, thanks for reiterating my point, it's not for you or me to decide, it's for the individual to be happy that their journey is essential and justify it if necessary, so why unqualified people on here and elsewhere are telling others what to do is beyond me.

[welsh1]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

Quite, thanks for reiterating my point, it's not for you or me to decide, it's for the individual to be happy that their journey is essential and justify it if necessary, so why unqualified people on here and elsewhere are telling others what to do is beyond me.

I am not telling you what to do , i am though pointing out that as per the guidelines you should only be making essential journeys.

Do you think going fishing is an essential journey?
Or maybe a blast out on the bike?
or how about a picnic on the beach?

Because the police don't and have issued fines for all the above around the country, as you say it's up to the individual to justify their journey, you would hope though that people had the sense to know what essential travel is.
 

I would hope that people would work for the greater good of society and not just think of self in times like this.

[Nuke]

1 hour ago, welsh1 said:

Just so we all remember what essential means.

essential

 

 

1. 1.

   absolutely necessary; extremely important.

I am very glad I live in Sweden and can carry on with my life without being bothered by this.

/Markus 

[Bigbob]

10 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

My thing is this.  He lives with his daughter.  They are not in contact with nothing or anyone outside their car.  I don’t see any problem with going for a walk, or a drive.  I mean you shouldn’t high five people  you pass but driving around a parking lot  with someone you live with is not spreading anything.  

You never know what there going to do . 

The walkers round the campus where going into the medical centre as its the only building open to use the toilets ?? 

Totally unbelievable to me 

[Docleo]

14 hours ago, welsh1 said:

For a group of people who are supposedly law abiding because we have been granted licences for shooting, there seems to be a lot on here who appear to be ready to flout the guidelines because they are not affecting anyone.

Well the death toll keeps rising, ask yourself why that is, for the virus to move you must move.

Food is essential, unfortunatly for some work is essential, and you run a risk doing them.

Essential journeys, the clue is in the first word, people are dying because others think rules don't apply to them, and people will continue to die until a vaccine is developed then at some point you will probably get the virus, will you live ?will you die? you won't know until you get it, do you really want to shorten your odds? a possible death alone gasping for breath.

I completely agree with your post.

Why people think their actions are "not affecting anyone" and carry on doing whatever they like, is beyond me.

If everyone would think/act like that the chance to stop/slow the spread of the virus (and deaths) would be 0.

[clangerman]

i wish the merchants of doom could see my local tesco this morning shelf stackers forcing people to squeeze past them so many people in there rather do without the milk and left stores acting like this are things people should be screaming about not someone sat in a empty field 

[Demonic69]

3 minutes ago, Docleo said:

If everyone would think/act like that the chance to stop/slow the spread of the virus (and deaths) would be 0.

So you propose complete isolation until a cure is found? People aren't dying of bad decisions, people are dying because their bodies can't stand the onslaught of a new virus. Unless a cure is found the death toll will be exactly the same, only the time scale will differ.

Drag it out too long and the country collapses and the death toll with increase due to food shortages and who knows what else.

Allow too much movement and the NHS will become overwhelmed, meaning more of those who could be saved (generally those who need, but can't get a ventilator or those without COVID-19 who can't be treated) will die due to shortages of staff and equipment.

The virus isn't just going to stop and go away, the same as Seasonal Flu, killing 16000 avg per year in the UK. People are staying home so that the NHS can do what they need to with acceptable numbers of patients, not because everyone will just stop dying and everything will be rosy.

It seems crass, but people will die, the point is about preventing as many needless deaths as possible.

I don't advocate everyone just going out and doing what they want. I've left the house once since lock-down to get my dad his Chemo meds. The rules are as they are because they know many will be sensible and many will not. They're playing the averages and seeing what needs to be done and where IMHO.

[AVB]

2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

I am not telling you what to do , i am though pointing out that as per the guidelines you should only be making essential journeys.

Do you think going fishing is an essential journey?
Or maybe a blast out on the bike?
or how about a picnic on the beach?

Because the police don't and have issued fines for all the above around the country, as you say it's up to the individual to justify their journey, you would hope though that people had the sense to know what essential travel is

These fines have not been challenged in court. A police officer made an assessment and in their opinion decided that the journey wasn’t essential and issued a fine. It is well within the individuals rights to challenge that and go to court. They court may or may not agree with officer. It’s down to the individual concerned to make the case as to why the trip was essential. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

19 minutes ago, clangerman said:

i wish the merchants of doom could see my local tesco this morning shelf stackers forcing people to squeeze past them so many people in there rather do without the milk and left stores acting like this are things people should be screaming about not someone sat in a empty field 

hello, my local tesco had a route march to get in the store, then past shelves of stock that is not selling before you get to the grocery sections

[clangerman]

8 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, my local tesco had a route march to get in the store, then past shelves of stock that is not selling before you get to the grocery sections

ours started out like that now it’s back to the money comes first so tesco are allowing people to ignore the rules I won’t be going back that’s for sure 

[welsh1]

14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, my local tesco had a route march to get in the store, then past shelves of stock that is not selling before you get to the grocery sections

 

3 minutes ago, clangerman said:

ours started out like that now it’s back to the money comes first so tesco are allowing people to ignore the rules I won’t be going back that’s for sure 

Use smaller local stores, they need your custom and are generally not so crowded.

[blackbird]

17 hours ago, AVB said:

The problem is that people have an opinion on things that are not black and white. If you want to go out and do something that you believe is not going to cause a problem (fishing on an isolated beach for example) then go and do it but don’t post on here that you are. That’s just inviting people to criticise you. If they don’t know then they can’t criticise. 

Well said if you decide I am going shooting & you loose your ticket or go fishing end up with a fine don’t moan as you know the score.

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

ours started out like that now it’s back to the money comes first so tesco are allowing people to ignore the rules I won’t be going back that’s for sure 

hello, i think your right, and the staff kept apologizing, and prices going up daily, 

2 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

 

Use smaller local stores, they need your custom and are generally not so crowded.

hello, i did last night, pint of milk 60p??