Thanks Nigel for exposing French migrant assistance

[TRINITY]

3 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Once they're on the water there are only two choices  - pick them up or let them drown. Not sure that the French navy role is as nefarious as Farange is suggesting. Most probably the French encounter these craft at sea and then call up the British to come and get them. What's the alternative? These people are 'escaping' France and don't want to go back, and it's not so easy to get people from a tiny dinghy into a warship against their will. Try doing it by force and sure as eggs you're going to end up with boats overturned, people drowning, newspaper headlines, etc, etc. So if the Brits will quietly collect them - better all round.

The only way you're going to stop this is to let these boats founder and the occupants drown. But that goes against modern western values, so there's nothing to be done. It's the way of the modern world. 

So in a nutshell they are blackmailing the UK by saying. Take me in or I will drown myself.

[Retsdon]

Just now, TRINITY said:

So in a nutshell they are blackmailing the UK by saying. Take me in or I will drown myself.

Correct. 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, Retsdon said:

The only way you're going to stop this is to let these boats founder and the occupants drown. But that goes against modern western values, so there's nothing to be done. It's the way of the modern world. 

Pretty sure Saudi is a lot closer to Africa AND the middle east than the UK , how come they dont go there ?
Or is it something to do with the way they would be received ?

3 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Not sure that the French navy role is as nefarious as Farange is suggesting. Most probably the French encounter these craft at sea and then call up the British to come and get them.

Eh ?
They were in French waters , and the French navy escorted them to UK waters ?
How about we escort them back to French waters, as that would be the same 'crime' as what the French have just committed.

Paint it anyway you like , this is wrong on so many levels.

[Retsdon]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

how come they dont go there ?

There are plenty of illegals in Saudi. They get deported when found, but a lot turn straight around and come back again. But it's not such an attractive destination in the long run because it's impossible to ever become a Saudi national. There are no such people as Saudi immigrants, only migrant workers. Even your children won't ever be Saudi. So there's far less upside to getting in country. You'll never be more than an unlucky police check from being out on your ear. 

16 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

They were in French waters , and the French navy escorted them to UK waters ?

Sure. That's what I said. Far easier than trying to get them all out of one of those death traps of dinghys on the open sea. If the Brits will take them... why not? 

[Scully]

5 hours ago, henry d said:

Yeah yeah, someone told me the earth was flat, Elvis lives, and the moon was made of cream cheese...

Well, we all have our personal beliefs largely dependant initially on what we’re told. ..some beliefs more ridiculous than others;  I used to believe in santa! 😂

Anyhow, whilst immigration didn’t form part of the reason I voted to leave, illegal immigration did, and although I’m not naive enough to know this hasn’t always gone on, nor would cease when we left, I possibly am naive enough to think something would be done about it. 
Can you imagine the furore if this was the other way round, and the UK was simply passing the problem on to France, if France were an island? 
I can understand totally why people want to leave their countries of birth, and their reasons are many and varied, but if they’re not prepared to do it via legit’ channels, then perhaps it’s time we started dumping them back on France. 
Until all those bleeding hearts who think we should have open borders and welcome all comers with open arms, start opening their homes to all and sundry by the same token, then my opinion will remain the same. 
We lock our houses up for a reason. 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Scully

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

 

Someones got out of bed the wrong side this morning 

Theres plenty of people in this country who are rightly concerned about ILLEGAL immigration, and the kid glove way of dealing with it that leads to ever increasing incidences of such.
Seriously , if you live in a poor country, and you hear that all you have to do is GET here  and all your needs will be met, then what would you do ?

Then there are others who scream NAZI ! At the merest mention of the issue, and level the pointy finger of racism at anyone who dares to voice those concerns.
Still others deny there is a problem at all with illegal immigrants, the cost , the crime, and the criminality of the act in getting here.
They are usually the ones that say the 'problem' is with OUR attitude to it, rather than the problem of illegal immigration itself.

Its pure deflection.

sorry .....everyone ...its my fault..........he thought i was gone for good....he is just really upset that i have returned............he got a nervous tic when my avatar came up..

talking of returning.............someone told me that the NFU were transporting them...(Migrants)   to the lettuce fields.....where they would be looked after and paid the standard wage....so they could purchase a plane ticket back home and have a few bob to spare.....................winner winner chicken dinner...

[Retsdon]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

Can you imagine the furore if this was the other way round, and the UK was simply passing the problem on to France, if France were an island? 

The French have had a hell of a time for years with these people camped in their thousands at the channel ports, and they've more than done their duty as regards to keeping them out of trucks, etc, etc. 

But once these boats are on the open sea it straightaway becomes a matter of either letting these people drown or picking them up. As Farange said, they refuse to be picked up by the French - even firing flares at French vessels trying to come alongside. So what's the solution? 

[Scully]

3 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

The French have had a hell of a time for years with these people camped in their thousands at the channel ports, and they've more than done their duty as regards to keeping them out of trucks, etc, etc. 

But once these boats are on the open sea it straightaway becomes a matter of either letting these people drown or picking them up. As Farange said, they refuse to be picked up by the French - even firing flares at French vessels trying to come alongside. So what's the solution? 

If the French are deliberately aiding illegal activity ( even by looking the other way ) then I can’t see how they can be described as having ‘done their duty’. 

[old'un]

6 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

The French have had a hell of a time for years with these people camped in their thousands at the channel ports, and they've more than done their duty as regards to keeping them out of trucks, etc, etc. 

But once these boats are on the open sea it straightaway becomes a matter of either letting these people drown or picking them up. As Farange said, they refuse to be picked up by the French - even firing flares at French vessels trying to come alongside. So what's the solution? 

Wait till the French vessel is along side them and then put a 22lr in the dingy, should just give them enough time to board the French vessel.

[Retsdon]

Just now, Scully said:

If the French are deliberately aiding illegal activity ( even by looking the other way ) then I can’t see how they can be described as having ‘done their duty’. 

But they're not aiding illegal activity. What do you want them to do? 

1 minute ago, old'un said:

Wait till the French vessel is along side them and then put a 22lr in the dingy, should just give them enough time to board the French vessel.

They won't recklessly endanger people's lives - and neither, if the roles were reversed, would the British navy. 

[old'un]

Where do they get all these dingy and outboards, surely someone must know as they all look the same and new, is it possible to trace the source of the outboard engine? Or dingy?

[oowee]

3 hours ago, Mice! said:

900 million can't be sniffed at, 90 million however isn't that big a deal in the scheme of things, someone messed up.

But by seemingly caving in over night the government have made themselves look foolish. 

I'm sure the migrants could be stopped very easily if someone told the Navy to stop them, but they obviously don't want it to come to blows with the french, imagine the headlines if fire was exchanged over the passage of migrants. 

True but at least they are starting to look at the problem from a UK perspective.

3 hours ago, Vince Green said:

If the care home my aunt was in is anything to go by the non EU workforce was made up primarily of Phillippino women who presumably arrive by plane with visas. Nothing to do with the young men in their 20s sitting in that boat, they are not going to be working in care homes.

^^^^ Totaly agree.

3 hours ago, Gordon R said:

 

Whenever immigrants are mentioned, many cite the NHS which has many, many overseas workers who contribute to the country.  They mention these in the same breath as illegals who are criminals. They break the law by entering the country and prisons contain many who have little further regard for the law, once they have arrived. The two groups should not be lumped together for the sake of a spurious argument.

^^^^^^ This. 

Immigration issues are of our own making. Failing to deal properly and effectively with illegals whilst not properly supporting those that we want here.

[Benthejockey]

4 hours ago, henry d said:

Yeah yeah, someone told me the earth was flat, Elvis lives, and the moon was made of cream cheese...

I saw elvis waiting for a bus just outside of Loggerheads near Market Drayton a couple of years back. 

[REDINGTON]

maybe we should turn them back to where they came from and inform them to change that which they don't like in their place of origin from within.

face it, you just can't expect to keep accepting people from anywhere they don't wish to be, without severely affecting all aspects of where they perceive they  will all live happily ever after in some fantasyland of free everything. 

[mick miller]

I, for one, am very glad that all these foreign doctors, nurses and vital agricultural workers are taking the risk to cross the channel and contribute their skills to the NHS and wider economy as a whole.

Such a shame they all lost their passports en route, never mind, we can issue them a new identity or, perhaps, several.

 

[ditchman]

17 minutes ago, old'un said:

Where do they get all these dingy and outboards, surely someone must know as they all look the same and new, is it possible to trace the source of the outboard engine? Or dingy?

never mind that ...where do the outboards end up..........do they keep them as evidence or flog em off.............

[andrewluke]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

never mind that ...where do the outboards end up..........do they keep them as evidence or flog em off.............

they are returned to france ready for the next delivery

[TRINITY]

I spend a lot of time in Spain. The amount of these illegals landing there is far greater than UK. They are already swapping certain regions and in some reported cases over 60% of the population and growing. They are also making life unbearable and Spanish are being forced out.. This is just the start in the channel, soon there will be thousands a day. The med is a greater expanse of water ,the channel is nothing to these illegals

[Walker570]

15 minutes ago, andrewluke said:

they are returned to france ready for the next delivery

You just beat me to it.  I would not put that past them one little bit.  IF the occupants of these dingies will not get on a French vessel then tow them back to France and if they discharge anyhting at the boat or staff approaching then return fire as said with a couple of rounds through the dingy. They all seem to have nice new safety floatant vest on, so they ain't going to drown in a hurry.  Once or twice for this to happen and there will be no further attempts the whole thing will fold.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

But they're not aiding illegal activity. 

 

Really? Are you sure about that? So Farage is lying then?

 

 

[TRINITY]

I am generally a supporter of the Tory party and this government. However they are insulting peoples intelligence right now. Firstly they are making a lot of hot air about this new points based immigration system. Secondly they are taking about UK citizens legally entering the country and being put into quarantine with threats of £1000 spot checks and fines. Those policies in isolation make sense. However what's the point of any of it when these illegals are being quietly encouraged to enter the country. The numbers will quickly grow this summer . Furthermore we are talking only of the channel, there are dozens of other routes where the illegal invasion is happening.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

The French have had a hell of a time for years with these people camped in their thousands at the channel ports, and they've more than done their duty as regards to keeping them out of trucks, etc, etc. 

Do you not find it strange there are none camped at British ports, waiting for their spot in a boat/lorry to take them to France ?

Consider this, if you apprehend a burglar attempting to gain access to your house, do you direct them to your neighbours house and tell them to burgle that instead ?

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

But they're not aiding illegal activity. What do you want them to do? 

As above with the burglar  , they are an illegal immigrant, so aiding them is,  via conspiracy - illegal.
Are the traffickers not breaking the law either, who drives the boat, are they arrested / charged / what happens to the RIB ?

The easier it becomes to enter a 'rich' country , the more will come, until it is no longer a rich country.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Do you not find it strange there are none camped at British ports, waiting for their spot in a boat/lorry to take them to France ?

Consider this, if you apprehend a burglar attempting to gain access to your house, do you direct them to your neighbours house and tell them to burgle that instead ?

As above with the burglar  , they are an illegal immigrant, so aiding them is,  via conspiracy - illegal.
Are the traffickers not breaking the law either, who drives the boat, are they arrested / charged / what happens to the RIB ?

The easier it becomes to enter a 'rich' country , the more will come, until it is no longer a rich country.

Of course not, I am NOT French!

Edited May 22, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE
CAPITALISATION!

[REDINGTON]

35 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

I spend a lot of time in Spain. The amount of these illegals landing there is far greater than UK. They are already swapping certain regions and in some reported cases over 60% of the population and growing. They are also making life unbearable and Spanish are being forced out.. This is just the start in the channel, soon there will be thousands a day. The med is a greater expanse of water ,the channel is nothing to these illegals

All depends whether you're on it or under it.

Edited May 22, 2020 by REDINGTON

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Of course not, I am NOT French!