Jacko3275 Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 I have just been asked to help deal with the above at some local fishing ponds everything Is legal they are adding me to their licence for this coming season I just wondered what carts to use and any tips Cheers in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie B Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Be there before daylight would help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Id check if you need to use steel, but if not , lead 5s. Wary bird , so you might struggle to get into effective range. As Eddie says, get into an ambush position before it gets light, or you will struggle, how many has the licence given to cull ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Id check if you need to use steel, but if not , lead 5s. Wary bird , so you might struggle to get into effective range. As Eddie says, get into an ambush position before it gets light, or you will struggle, how many has the licence given to cull ? As above. They are slippery little rascals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmilo Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 As above, and dont shoot the first 1 or 2 you see, they will be scouts for the main party to follow , they are a very intelligent predator. Also check no night fishing is allowed on the lake. I got asked to control some predators on lakes, but the owner would not stop night tickets. Gave that one a miss . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted August 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Id check if you need to use steel, but if not , lead 5s. Wary bird , so you might struggle to get into effective range. As Eddie says, get into an ambush position before it gets light, or you will struggle, how many has the licence given to cull ? I have to Go back and see them to get a copy of all the details Of the new license as they have asked If they could shoot more and they said I can use lead or steel .. the pond manager said they are usually tree line height or on the ponds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTaylor91 Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Be interesting to know how many they can shoot. A fishing pond over where I used to live had a licence to shoot 2 per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Sounds like a job for a sub .22lr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 None of the people I have ever encountered who had licences to shoot Cormorants could count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Very simple to cull Wait until they have fished and are drying their wings - job for the rifle regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, jall25 said: Very simple to cull Wait until they have fished and are drying their wings - job for the rifle regards I would second that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, jall25 said: Very simple to cull Wait until they have fished and are drying their wings - job for the rifle regards Definitely the way to sort them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 or if using shotgun RC 40 special semi magnum, they hit them hard, or Gamebore Buffalo specials, are also good, woudnt bother with steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted August 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Are they armour plated or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 hours ago, JDog said: None of the people I have ever encountered who had licences to shoot Cormorants could count. Well according to those of a certain political bent these days 2+2 does not necessarily equal 4. I don't know any anglers who would give you grief for shooting a few extra "black death". Obviously I think it's a terrible thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 I would be very weary about using a shotgun to cull Cormorants , not the hardest bird to hit with nearly a four foot wingspan but these birds spend most of the day on or in water and to drop one with a broken wing you will have very little chance of retrieving it , no one in there right mind would send a dog after a live one with a beak like a dagger and having one flapping about on a public waterway is something to avoid , you can wound one with a rifle but less so than a shotgun so weigh up the pros and cons before you carry the culling out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 Must admit that, If I were asked to carry out such work, I would go really early and shoot as many as I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 17/08/2020 at 21:04, billytheghillie said: or if using shotgun RC 40 special semi magnum, they hit them hard, or Gamebore Buffalo specials, are also good, woudnt bother with steel. If they are over wetlands using lead shot would be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 How they where ever protected is beyond logic. However before then we used to cull them on an estate I worked on. They crumpled well with Alphamax 36g 4's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 12 hours ago, ClemFandango said: If they are over wetlands using lead shot would be illegal. not in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 17/08/2020 at 16:02, Jacko3275 said: I have to Go back and see them to get a copy of all the details Of the new license as they have asked If they could shoot more and they said I can use lead or steel .. the pond manager said they are usually tree line height or on the ponds Who said you can use Lead. If in England whether you are in the middle of a dry field using a shotgun it's non toxic shot and if using a Pump Action or Semi Auto it has to be capable of holding no more than two cartridges in the magazine and one in the chamber. I've held/hold ( England ) various Licenses allowing to shoot different species of Birds for best part of 50 years. My advice make sure you are 100% eg carry the License abide by the rules/laws as there's always a do gooder willing to leg us shooters up and a Police officer who knows nothing about the shooting/licensing system and there not quick in returning your guns whilst finding the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, billytheghillie said: not in Really? Edited August 19, 2020 by ClemFandango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, billytheghillie said: not in Scotland That's incorrect. Lead shot is illegal over wetlands in Scotland but not species specific so yes. It is illegal in Scotland. Edited August 19, 2020 by ClemFandango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: Who said you can use Lead. If in England whether you are in the middle of a dry field using a shotgun it's non toxic shot and if using a Pump Action or Semi Auto it has to be capable of holding no more than two cartridges in the magazine and one in the chamber. I've held/hold ( England ) various Licenses allowing to shoot different species of Birds for best part of 50 years. My advice make sure you are 100% eg carry the License abide by the rules/laws as there's always a do gooder willing to leg us shooters up and a Police officer who knows nothing about the shooting/licensing system and there not quick in returning your guns whilst finding the facts. I may have misheard him but till I have read the licence I do not know what I am aloud to do .... found this but it doesn’t mention cormorants ..... In England and Wales the use of lead shot has been banned for the shooting of all duck, geese, coots and moorhens wherever they occur, as well as on or over all foreshore and specified Sites of Special Scientific Interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jacko3275 said: I may have misheard him but till I have read the licence I do not know what I am aloud to do .... found this but it doesn’t mention cormorants ..... In England and Wales the use of lead shot has been banned for the shooting of all duck, geese, coots and moorhens wherever they occur, as well as on or over all foreshore and specified Sites of Special Scientific Interest Cormorants aren't mentioned. Doesn't matter though. In Scotland, England and Wales it is illegal to use lead shot over any wetland. Regardless of the species you are shooting. If you are not shooting them over a wetland in Scotland you are fine. In England and Wales then you may be right but I think you'd be on dodgy ground. It maybe worth seeking advice The legislation only covers lead shot. You can use lead rifle ammunition over wetlands to your hearts content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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