Compliance

[Centrepin]

I know it should be in jokes, but I thought it relevant in here.

 

[matone]

Very good! It sums up the behaviour of many.....

[Walker570]

Not my experience. I'm non compliant on face nappies, but I keep my distance and give others room. I do see the vast majority of people doing the same in shops, the chip shop etc etc.

I just wonder where the scientist gets his ideas from.... why six and not seven  or five even, it just seems to me a figure plucked from the air.   People are now fed up with the stupidity as is shown by the letters and articles in newspapers.  I fear it will be Boris's Poll Tax moment.

[walshie]

7 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Not my experience. I'm non compliant on face nappies, but I keep my distance and give others room. I do see the vast majority of people doing the same in shops, the chip shop etc etc.

I just wonder where the scientist gets his ideas from.... why six and not seven  or five even, it just seems to me a figure plucked from the air.   People are now fed up with the stupidity as is shown by the letters and articles in newspapers.  I fear it will be Boris's Poll Tax moment.

Agreed. it's so arbitrary. We have a family of 5 coming to see us this weekend and if we lived in England this would be illegal. Luckily Wales hasn't gone the maximum of 6 route yet.

I wonder if the "2nd wave" is made up just so the government can renew their coronavirus powers.

[Smokersmith]

3 minutes ago, walshie said:

I wonder if the "2nd wave" is made up just so the government can renew their coronavirus powers.

Really ! REALLY !!

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, Centrepin said:

I know it should be in jokes, but I thought it relevant in here.

 

I suspect this Compliance Officer is still under training!

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, as much as can be done to avoid a 2nd wave seems a reasonable approach, as for the man in the photo, 🤔 you know the saying, don't do as I do, do as I say ! !

Edited September 10, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper

[Smokersmith]

Our compliance officer above is actually OK under the 1m plus rule .. over 1m away, plus mitigated by not being face to face

 ...….  but not exactly leading by example.

[243deer]

I think that the 2m rule is good. A bit like dropping the speed limit to 20 you know some folk cannot abide driving to the speed limit so will do 30 because it makes them feel better and 'non-compliant' -so 2m becomes 1m which a lot of science suggests is enough. If we drop it to 1m then sure as eggs is eggs we will be reduced down to 50cm by the non-believers and the sheeple will follow.

[walshie]

43 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

Really ! REALLY !!

What?

[matone]

50 minutes ago, 243deer said:

I think that the 2m rule is good. A bit like dropping the speed limit to 20 you know some folk cannot abide driving to the speed limit so will do 30 because it makes them feel better and 'non-compliant' -so 2m becomes 1m which a lot of science suggests is enough. If we drop it to 1m then sure as eggs is eggs we will be reduced down to 50cm by the non-believers and the sheeple will follow.

Yes,they should never have relaxed the 2m rule because it reminded people to keep a distance if possible ,1m is pretty much no distance at all!!

All in ,I think they`ll find a lot of people will not respect the rules from now on as theyre not viewed by many to be drawn up with any consistency of thought.

An uglier future I think....

Edited September 10, 2020 by matone

[Smokersmith]

32 minutes ago, walshie said:

What?

You're wondering if the UK govt has made up the rise in cases … … I'm asking if you're REALLY wondering that …

How and why spring to mind ..?

There is a global increase in cases as evidenced in Spain and France .. are they in on it too as we're such good buddies?

Do we see the global position of rising cases as favourable, and something we should get in on?

Why would the govt. want renewed corona powers if the current rise is made up?

Do you expect a graph in 3 weeks time with cases miraculously back down again and a smug Boris saying 'didn't you do well'?

 

[Scully]

The brother of the restaurant owner where my OH works has tried to book a table before the 6 people rule becomes law, for him and a bunch of relatives, but has been told they will still have to abide by the two households per table, and responded with....’yeah, but it’s only us’!

I wouldn’t mind but he’s a partner in the business. 🤷‍♂️

[discobob]

17 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

You're wondering if the UK govt has made up the rise in cases … … I'm asking if you're REALLY wondering that …

How and why spring to mind ..?

There is a global increase in cases as evidenced in Spain and France .. are they in on it too as we're such good buddies?

Do we see the global position of rising cases as favourable, and something we should get in on?

Why would the govt. want renewed corona powers if the current rise is made up?

Do you expect a graph in 3 weeks time with cases miraculously back down again and a smug Boris saying 'didn't you do well'?

 

Lets face it though - increase the number of tests carried out and then shock and horror - more people are testing positive

Complaints that the sensitivity of the tests have been set too high causing a lot of false positives

The guy who developed one of the tests in use has raised concerns about the suitability of its use in this case.

The governments own plan was to flatten the curve (after first touting herd immunity) which they have done - to me it still looks pretty flat now even with all the increased testing

At some time we have to get the country back to normal - it will be a new version of normal though - and really it needs to be sooner rather than later.

Anyway - I need to nip out now as we have run out of Bacofoil

[walshie]

38 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

You're wondering if the UK govt has made up the rise in cases … … I'm asking if you're REALLY wondering that …

How and why spring to mind ..?

There is a global increase in cases as evidenced in Spain and France .. are they in on it too as we're such good buddies?

Do we see the global position of rising cases as favourable, and something we should get in on?

Why would the govt. want renewed corona powers if the current rise is made up?

Do you expect a graph in 3 weeks time with cases miraculously back down again and a smug Boris saying 'didn't you do well'?

 

Yes I'm REALLY wondering that. Why would i say it otherwise?

I'm not wondering if they made up the rise in cases. More people are being tested so you''ll get more positive results. If they doubled the current test rate, they'd double the number of positive results. Whether those positive results are accurate or not remains to be seen.

The more cynical among us might wonder if its all bluster to take our minds off other things.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, discobob said:

Lets face it though - increase the number of tests carried out and then shock and horror - more people are testing positive

Complaints that the sensitivity of the tests have been set too high causing a lot of false positives

The guy who developed one of the tests in use has raised concerns about the suitability of its use in this case.

The governments own plan was to flatten the curve (after first touting herd immunity) which they have done - to me it still looks pretty flat now even with all the increased testing

At some time we have to get the country back to normal - it will be a new version of normal though - and really it needs to be sooner rather than later.

Anyway - I need to nip out now as we have run out of Bacofoil

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[Cannon]

It's a fake photo. Where"s the reflection of his shoe in the steel plate? Not to mention the overall look of the picture.

[Smokersmith]

11 minutes ago, walshie said:

I'm not wondering if they made up the rise in cases. More people are being tested so you''ll get more positive results. If they doubled the current test rate, they'd double the number of positive results. Whether those positive results are accurate or not remains to be seen.

The more cynical among us might wonder if its all bluster to take our minds off other things.

Several of the graphs last night showed the increasing rate of positive tests, per numbers tested … negating the increase in testing.

Given the graphs in the other countries would you advocate the govt. does nothing?

Van Tam and Whitty et al have all spoken up when a politician has gone off beam … so for me, it's a genuine concern.

[walshie]

3 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

Several of the graphs last night showed the increasing rate of positive tests, per numbers tested … negating the increase in testing.

Given the graphs in the other countries would you advocate the govt. does nothing?

Van Tam and Whitty et al have all spoken up when a politician has gone off beam … so for me, it's a genuine concern.

I advocate the government stop messing us about.  If you're going to set rules enforce them. If you're not going to enforce them, don't set them. I live in Wales and (at the moment) we don't have to wear mask in shops My county of 73.000 people has had 3 positive results and no deaths in the last week.I just can't see how this is a 2nd wave, hence the wondering. 

I don;t take much notice of graphs as mostly they are comparing apples with oranges. If everyone was going to wear a mask and abide by the rules, that's one thing, but all the exceptions make a mockery of it. More than 6 will still be arriving daily in dinghies. More than 6 people will be going to pubs (as long as they don't know each other - if they do know each other, they can't. What a joke). Thousands are still arriving on planes from god knows where as long as they promise to self-isolate for 2 weeks. Groups of Antifa, BLM and XR nutters will be making a nuisance of themselves in groups of more than 6 - even though that was made illegal weeks ago. I could go on, but you get my drift.

Luckily the more than 6 thing doesn't apply here at the moment, hence I can enjoy a long weekend with friends. 1 rule for all or no rule. I'm not stupid. I take reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of myself, my family and others around me. I don't need some bloke with a clipboard chasing me up the road to give me a ticket for not being obedient enough, while others seem to get away with murder.

 

 

[discobob]

2 minutes ago, walshie said:

I advocate the government stop messing us about.  If you're going to set rules enforce them. If you're not going to enforce them, don't set them. I live in Wales and (at the moment) we don't have to wear mask in shops My county of 73.000 people has had 3 positive results and no deaths in the last week.I just can't see how this is a 2nd wave, hence the wondering. 

I don;t take much notice of graphs as mostly they are comparing apples with oranges. If everyone was going to wear a mask and abide by the rules, that's one thing, but all the exceptions make a mockery of it. More than 6 will still be arriving daily in dinghies. More than 6 people will be going to pubs (as long as they don't know each other - if they do know each other, they can't. What a joke). Thousands are still arriving on planes from god knows where as long as they promise to self-isolate for 2 weeks. Groups of Antifa, BLM and XR nutters will be making a nuisance of themselves in groups of more than 6 - even though that was made illegal weeks ago. I could go on, but you get my drift.

Luckily the more than 6 thing doesn't apply here at the moment, hence I can enjoy a long weekend with friends. 1 rule for all or no rule. I'm not stupid. I take reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of myself, my family and others around me. I don't need some bloke with a clipboard chasing me up the road to give me a ticket for not being obedient enough, while others seem to get away with murder.

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I saw somebody post this on MSM

I have come back from holiday from a Greek Island, I landed at Manchester and then returned home to North Wales and now have to self isolate for 14 days. Meanwhile, my mate who I was on holiday with returned to Manchester, hooked up his caravan and drove into Wales, but he can walk around freely while I am stuck in my house

[Walker570]

4 hours ago, walshie said:

I advocate the government stop messing us about.  If you're going to set rules enforce them. If you're not going to enforce them, don't set them. I live in Wales and (at the moment) we don't have to wear mask in shops My county of 73.000 people has had 3 positive results and no deaths in the last week.I just can't see how this is a 2nd wave, hence the wondering. 

I don;t take much notice of graphs as mostly they are comparing apples with oranges. If everyone was going to wear a mask and abide by the rules, that's one thing, but all the exceptions make a mockery of it. More than 6 will still be arriving daily in dinghies. More than 6 people will be going to pubs (as long as they don't know each other - if they do know each other, they can't. What a joke). Thousands are still arriving on planes from god knows where as long as they promise to self-isolate for 2 weeks. Groups of Antifa, BLM and XR nutters will be making a nuisance of themselves in groups of more than 6 - even though that was made illegal weeks ago. I could go on, but you get my drift.

Luckily the more than 6 thing doesn't apply here at the moment, hence I can enjoy a long weekend with friends. 1 rule for all or no rule. I'm not stupid. I take reasonable precautions to ensure the safety of myself, my family and others around me. I don't need some bloke with a clipboard chasing me up the road to give me a ticket for not being obedient enough, while others seem to get away with murder.

 

 

Well said. My feelings entirely.  The Americans have gone back to previous flu eperdemics and found that per 1000 there where more deaths back then than in this case and I am sure that would be the case here.  There is little doubt the Government and their advisors have petrified the mass of the public, particularly those under 70yrs of age.  Another month of this and the country will be vanishing down the drain. That is not my view but that of a pretty smart businessman friend.

[oowee]

Who bothers with any of the rules other than their own when the rule makers don't? Looks like our govt is happy to break even international law putting us alongside the likes of China and Russia so what hope the rest of us? We hear every week another failed proposition be it the world class track and trace, rule of 6,  or today's  moonshot carp. Best to stick with doing whatever you think fits your circumstances. 

[Mice!]

The 6 thing is the biggest joke, people will just book two tables, or three?

Once a few drinks have been drunk the social distancing vanishes anyway in most cases.

I would rather meet family members than go to a pub full of people I don't know.

It seems to me that because some areas are still rising the gov are just clamping down on everyone,  but like walshie says will they enforce anything??

 

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, walshie said:

Agreed. it's so arbitrary. We have a family of 5 coming to see us this weekend and if we lived in England this would be illegal. Luckily Wales hasn't gone the maximum of 6 route yet.

I wonder if the "2nd wave" is made up just so the government can renew their coronavirus powers.

Just wait it won’t be long before Mark I love cheese Drakeford starts throwing his weight around, it’s a wonder the whole of Wales is not back on lockdown. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by blackbird

[treetree]

9 hours ago, 243deer said:

I think that the 2m rule is good. A bit like dropping the speed limit to 20 you know some folk cannot abide driving to the speed limit so will do 30 because it makes them feel better and 'non-compliant' -so 2m becomes 1m which a lot of science suggests is enough. If we drop it to 1m then sure as eggs is eggs we will be reduced down to 50cm by the non-believers and the sheeple will follow.

You are confusing something that can be absolutely proven as reducing deaths (stopping distances/effect of impact) with a figure that has been plucked out of someone's rear end.

False analogy

[discobob]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Just wait it won’t be long before Mark I love cheese Drakeford starts throwing his weight around, it’s a wonder the whole of Wales is not back on lockdown. 

Please don't tempt providence there - I am hoping duckwater has lost wee crankies number!!!