rbrowning2 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 See pages 57 and 58 if the bill passes as is, as I read it, lead shot will be banned for all live quarry from the 1st January 2023. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0009/amend/environment_rm_pbc_1005.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) Page 57 of 60 to save time for everyone else 🤨 Edited October 13, 2020 by Smokersmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Smokersmith said: Page 57 of 60 to save time for everyone else 🤨 👍 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Perhaps one of the organisations would comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 It was the organisations that 'unwittingly' backed the ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Does it really matter now? I’m not being deliberately confrontational but we know it’s coming whether we want it or not, and it’s not like we can do anything about it. It’s out of of our hands. Better just to accept it and move on in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Start stocking up on lead now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jacko3275 said: Start stocking up on lead now Would there be any point Jacko if lead is going to be banned in a couple of years time ? Would it , or will it affect clay pigeon shooting as well when the time come ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jacko3275 said: Start stocking up on lead now Maybe the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 welcome to the beginning of the end lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Non lead pellets in shotguns have been used for twenty years or so. It’s not like it’s just come out of the blue. There is a lot of clauses in the wiidlife and countryside act this is another one . It will prohibit using lead pellets in shotguns to kill wild animals. It won’t prohibit air gun pellets or rifle bullets for killing wildlife. The wildlife and countryside act doesn’t cover any target shooting. If lead pellets are still used after the law comes in then we may find shotguns are on the prohibited list to kill wildlife. The cartridge manufacturers will soon have bio wads now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) On the plus side there won't be any more 100 yard pheasant pages...... Edited October 13, 2020 by GingerCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, marsh man said: Would there be any point Jacko if lead is going to be banned in a couple of years time ? Would it , or will it affect clay pigeon shooting as well when the time come ? It was a tongue-in-cheek cheek comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 34 minutes ago, GingerCat said: On the plus side there won't be any more 100 yard pheasant pages...... the larger amount of wounded birds will make great publicity the antis should have a field day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Restriction after restriction after restriction. Country going down pan. Can't do this can't do that. Just endless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB7 Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 The paper is written by the Labour Party. Might as well have been written by the RSPB. What importance does this paper have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 First part . Any form of lead ammunition used in a shotgun. Thats everything! Its pretty clear, a ban. The second part is using lead ammo for taking / killing wild animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 This is a Labour amendment to a Conservative government Bill. Its chances of passing are remote. If it's selected for debate BASC and other organisations will brief MPs to inform the debate. Expect to see it resurface in the Lords. The amendment is not a serious threat to the current 5 year voluntary transition away from lead shot. The real threat is the EU's consideration of a ban on lead shot over wetlands which may be passed before December 31st. This is because: • Under the EU proposals the UK, as a whole, would be considered a wetland and expected to implement the proposals in a shorter time - which could be as little as 18 months. • The UK is bound by the withdrawal treaty to implement all changes to EU law passed before we exit on 31st December and BASC and other shooting organisations are working with the European hunters' federation FACE in opposing the EU proposals. BASC will continue to fight against disproportionate and unsubstantiated restrictions on the use of lead ammunition and we have been leading this fight for 40 years. Viable alternatives to lead ammunition are simply not yet available in sufficient quantities or calibres either here or in mainland Europe. That is why we are working to prevent bad laws from entering into force whilst encouraging a five year research and development period for viable alternatives to lead shot for live quarry shooting. Click link below for more info: https://basc.org.uk/lead/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 ISSF-ECHA-comments.pdf BASC will continue to fight against disproportionate and unsubstantiated restrictions on the use of lead ammunition and we have been leading this fight for 40 years. Viable alternatives to lead ammunition are simply not yet available in sufficient quantities or calibres either here or in mainland Europe. That is why we are working to prevent bad laws from entering into force whilst encouraging a five year research and development period for viable alternatives to lead shot for live quarry shooting. So Connor why did BASC not choose to support the above and it was left to the Czech's to get the European Ban thrown out yet BASC still recommended a voluntary ban for the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC will continue to fight against disproportionate and unsubstantiated restrictions on the use of lead ammunition and we have been leading this fight for 40 years. from the orgs RESPONSIBLE for the ban on using lead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Conor ... thanks for the clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Conor , How many of the 40 years that BASC have been leading the fight was lead by John Swift , who actually was later found to have his own agenda? Can you in all faith say that BASC have robustly defended the continued use of Lead shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 I'll say it again. You really couldn't make this up. BASC admitting that there aren't enough alternatives to lead shot available, yet are supporting the move away from lead shot in the hope that in five years time the problem will have somehow sorted itself out. How do you expect to introduce new shooters to the sport when you are actively supporting transitioning to ammunition that is considerably more expensive and less effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 20 hours ago, clangerman said: the larger amount of wounded birds will make great publicity the antis should have a field day So shoot within the capability of the cartridges and the shooter. Steel has been used on wildfowl for 15 years or more so what is the big issue. If you wing a bird with lead it does not die does it!! Its wounded, so your comment is void. Ive used steel on all types of bird and it works. People with some kind of false perception of what steel can or cant do is just rubbish. It kills just as lead does. The only issue we will have is older guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: So shoot within the capability of the cartridges and the shooter. Steel has been used on wildfowl for 15 years or more so what is the big issue. If you wing a bird with lead it does not die does it!! Its wounded, so your comment is void. Ive used steel on all types of bird and it works. People with some kind of false perception of what steel can or cant do is just rubbish. It kills just as lead does. The only issue we will have is older guns. when the anti nuts start claiming steel wounds more birds i will be agreeing with them i used the rubbish so don’t be telling me it’s as good i could always invite the antis to a demo using both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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