US Election Results!

[Cranfield]

Unless you are personally witnessing any event, then you have to rely on media reporting, or hearsay.

Both CNN and Fox News are reporting the following (go look):
Postal Services still discovering bundles of postal votes and they will be counted.
Apparently, some States counted through the night, others stopped and started again in the morning, suggesting poor security.
Observers have either not been allowed entry, or have been posted so far away they can not see anything.
There is much more.

The rewards are so high and so many people are committed, that it is no surprise that some shenanigans are taking place.
 

[figgy]

Less messing around with votes by despot in Africa.

This in the country of the free and the brave. 

The lawless and rioters more like. 

Should put the army on the streets, start rioting or looting get shot simples. 

The whole voting ballot system needs a full refresh with full accountability. 

You've got all this multivoting by some,yet friends who married locals have citizenship pay taxes can't vote. 

[JohnfromUK]

I try not to comment on other countries politics (usually anyway!), but this mess of all the different states having different voting and counting rules and applied differently is slightly the same as we are now seeing here on the Covid rules with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland (which is also very messy).  So we have a common thread in the problems.

There should be one unified set of rules applied to the whole USA - same votes, same rules, same procedures for counting and accounting. 

Similarly here - there should be one unified set of rules for Covid for the UK - and if needed different 'tiers' (the same tier structure and rules for the whole of the UK), but the tier level applied regionally as appropriate to the current situation locally.

That is what the common word UNITED means in both our countries names

[Vince Green]

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I try not to comment on other countries politics (usually anyway!), but this mess of all the different states having different voting and counting rules and applied differently is slightly the same as we are now seeing here on the Covid rules with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland (which is also very messy).  So we have a common thread in the problems.

There should be one unified set of rules applied to the whole USA - same votes, same rules, same procedures for counting and accounting. 

Similarly here - there should be one unified set of rules for Covid for the UK - and if needed different 'tiers' (the same tier structure and rules for the whole of the UK), but the tier level applied regionally as appropriate to the current situation locally.

That is what the common word UNITED means in both our countries names

Its easy to forget that in America each State is actually a separate autonomous country effectively. Or at least it was back in the day 

Also the electoral college system, which was put into place as a bit of a fudge initially, has glaring anomolies. Some states get twenty EC votes and another state gets three.

So if a candidate wins by a single vote in say Florida he gets twenty electoral college votes. If his opponent wins by a million votes in Maine he only gets about three.

So its heavily skewed towards not how many votes a candidate gets as much as where he gets them., Thats how Hillary Clinton got three million more votes than Trump in 2016 but still lost

Edited November 5, 2020 by Vince Green

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Its easy to forget that in America each State is actually a separate autonomous country effectively. Or at least it was back in the day 

Agreed - but to elect a President of a United States of America - the 'unity' bit should begin with the voting process.  What they doe for state legislature might be more variable (but I think even that would be better with one set of rules)

[Raja Clavata]

55 minutes ago, figgy said:

Less messing around with votes by despot in Africa.

Not quite, in the most recent national elections in an "established democracy" in Africa, the guy appointed to over-see a corrupt free vote was kidnapped, tortured and then executed.

[discobob]

I'm waiting for the hanging chads to come out!!

[Deker]

11 hours ago, ordnance said:

Still all 

The social media claims were accompanied with screenshots of vote tallies showing an addition of 138,339 votes for Biden, but none for anyone else. The screenshots showed no time stamp nor indicated who had posted the vote tallies.

So where did this come from?

The memes were based on an apparent typo on a lone national media site, DecisionDeskHQ. 

There is no evidence of voter fraud, particularly since the error did not appear on any official state vote collection site.

There's proof of a 118 year old man (and others) having voted in Michigan, I saw the video online and thought I'd check myself (using google to find the pages rather that possible false links), you can too, the Michigan Voter Information Center url is https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/ but feel free to google it and use the official link (the same one).

The details to check are:

Name: WIlliam Bradley

Birth month: March

Birth Year: 1902

ZIPcode: 48207

 

Although dead he managed to receive an application 11th of September and return it on the 2nd of October

 

 

[ordnance]

2 minutes ago, Deker said:

There's proof of a 118 year old man (and others) having voted in Michigan, I saw the video online and thought I'd check myself (using google to find the pages rather that possible false links), you can too, the Michigan Voter Information Center url is https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/ but feel free to google it and use the official link (the same one).

The details to check are:

Name: WIlliam Bradley

Birth month: March

Birth Year: 1902

ZIPcode: 48207

 

Although dead he managed to receive an application 11th of September and return it on the 2nd of October

 

 

One will hardly make much difference, it would be hard to find any election where mistakes were not made. 

[Deker]

Just now, ordnance said:

One will hardly make much difference, it would be hard to find any election where mistakes were not made. 

one may not make a difference but one can and does show fraud

[ordnance]

Just now, Deker said:

one may not make a difference but one can and does show fraud

Yes it shows one fraudulent vote. 

[Deker]

4 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Yes it shows one fraudulent vote. 

So with this evidence and also other mathematical discrepancies it would seem that an investigation would be justified as the best course of action

Edited November 5, 2020 by Deker

[ordnance]

16 minutes ago, Deker said:

So with this evidence and also other mathematical discrepancies it would seem that an investigation would be justified as the best course of action

I assume that would be for the courts to decide, if a complaint is made. 

[Deker]

3 minutes ago, ordnance said:

I assume that would be for the courts to decide, if a complaint is made. 

exactly, that's all I was suggesting, however a few more can be added to the list (but I haven't tested these ones).

[NoBodyImportant]

Had my parents check.  This was my dads first time voting in his entire life.  But they have him down as voting in the last house election in 2018

And as of this morning my vote had still not be counted. 

[mick miller]

My dead mom & pop voted Biden. As did my neighbours, we're all sick of having a possible racist in the Whitehouse and would prefer an actual one (Biden). Plus, we support terrorism.
[Democrat voter thought process]

 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, ordnance said:

One will hardly make much difference, it would be hard to find any election where mistakes were not made. 

Im not sure youre grasping the situation.

Voter numbers in the all important swing states are unprecedented , average numbers of registered voters who actually vote, is usually around 55 %

Pennsylvania is on track for a 95% turnout, and the other swingers similar.

Nobody is on the money, when they stopped counting (as Trump was looking highly likely to win) the swing states, the cat was truly out of the bag.
Think about this, the demo and republic safe states got counted and allocated very quickly, they all had postal voting too.

The swing states seem to have this pregnant pause...

Edited November 5, 2020 by Rewulf

[Vince Green]

It seems unlikely to me that Trump would be highlighting the flaws in the postal voting system for weeks and then not encourage his supporters to exploit them them for his own ends. Given the sort of man he is.

In AZ officials noticed that lots of Republican postal votes have been coming in all filled out by a sharpie pen so they flagged it up as suspicious 

Edited November 5, 2020 by Vince Green

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Given the sort of man he is.

What sort of man is he ?

 

3 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

In AZ officials noticed that lots of Republican postal votes have been coming in all filled out by a sharpie pen so they flagged it up as suspicious 

The same pen ? Lots ?
Can you clarify what you mean here.

[ordnance]

16 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Im not sure youre grasping the situation.

Voter numbers in the all important swing states are unprecedented , average numbers of registered voters who actually vote, is usually around 55 %

Pennsylvania is on track for a 95% turnout, and the other swingers similar.

Nobody is on the money, when they stopped counting (as Trump was looking highly likely to win) the swing states, the cat was truly out of the bag.
Think about this, the demo and republic safe states got counted and allocated very quickly, they all had postal voting too.

The swing states seem to have this pregnant pause...

And if there is a issue it can be investigated, if Trump was winning he would have no issues  with the voting process. 

[Rewulf]

10 minutes ago, ordnance said:

And if there is a issue it can be investigated, if Trump was winning he would have no issues  with the voting process. 

The democrats have had 4 years of complaining about how Trump stole the election from Killary, so I think its fair that Trump does like wise if he  loses 
There WILL be an investigation, of that there is no doubt.

[mick miller]

57 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The same pen ?

Can you clarify what you mean here.

Allegedly, democrat activists were handing obvious Trump supporters Sharpie markers to use, you can only use ballpoint on ballots, otherwise the ballot is invalidated. There is footage of this on social media, taken on the day and shared and the authorities have been notified.

 

34 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The democrats have had 4 years of complaining about how Trump stole the election from Killary, so I think its fair that Trump does like wise if he  loses 
There WILL be an investigation, of that there is no doubt.

They've also spent almost four years whining alleging Trump is racist, then they go and elect an actual one.

 

Edited November 5, 2020 by mick miller

[grrclark]

48 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The democrats have had 4 years of complaining about how Trump stole the election from Killary, so I think its fair that Trump does like wise if he  loses 
There WILL be an investigation, of that there is no doubt.

You are absolutely right, there will be a challenge through the courts that is likely to end up in the supreme courts.

The outcome will be the same.  That there is no vast systemic conspiracy across multiple states involving what would be tens of thousands of people including judges and elected representatives, colluding to shaft Trump out of a genuine election win.

Will there be individual cases of people trying to abuse the system? Yes, undoubtedly there will be, however will that be at a scale involving millions, possibly stretching into 10 million plus voters, all biased toward the Democrats?

[grrclark]

31 minutes ago, mick miller said:

Allegedly, democrat activists were handing obvious Trump supporters Sharpie markers to use, you can only use ballpoint on ballots, otherwise the ballot is invalidated. There is footage of this on social media, taken on the day and shared and the authorities have been notified.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharpie-trump-ballots-arizona/

 

[Raja Clavata]

Didn't Trump set his stall out early on and setup the game for this when he stated a while back that he would not accept defeat? Did anyone actually think he was not being serious / absolute in that statement?