Danish Mask Study

[treetree]

Finally, a randomised control test looking at the effectiveness of mask wearing showing that wearing one has title significant effect in protecting the wearer from covid.

Which is exactly what the government knew and told us at the beginning.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[oscarsdad]

A nonsense study as it failed to address the fact that wearing a mask protects others not the wearer. 

[treetree]

8 minutes ago, oscarsdad said:

A nonsense study as it failed to address the fact that wearing a mask protects others not the wearer. 

So if the mask doesn't protect the wearer, what is the scientific basis for the assertion that the mask protects others from the wearer?

[strimmer_13]

Just now, treetree said:

So if the mask doesn't protect the wearer, what is the scientific basis for the assertion that the mask protects others from the wearer?

Kind of with you on that one, so we should wear gloves (because of the transfer from unsanitary hands) and glasses to stop direct transmission through the eyes

Basically wear a body condom with a snorkel out the top 😂

[oscarsdad]

5 minutes ago, treetree said:

So if the mask doesn't protect the wearer, what is the scientific basis for the assertion that the mask protects others from the wearer?

Asian countries used them from the start - e.g South Korea - look at their virus rates 

[Yellow Bear]

8 minutes ago, treetree said:

So if the mask doesn't protect the wearer, what is the scientific basis for the assertion that the mask protects others from the wearer?

The mask over nose and mouth reduces the outward velocity if the droplets therefore reducing the effective range of spread if not eliminating it.  Basic physics.

Why do you think hospital theatre staff wear masks if not to stop them infecting patients wounds.

Edited November 19, 2020 by Yellow Bear

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Wearing of masks by the majority of people gets people thinking about responsibility.

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Wearing of masks by the majority of people gets people thinking about responsibility.

^^^^ This is a huge part of the benefit. It reminds everyone that its out there. Its so easy to forget and next min someone you know is on Oxygen. 

[treetree]

10 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

The mask over nose and mouth reduces the outward velocity if the droplets therefore reducing the effective range of spread if not eliminating it.  Basic physics.

Why do you think hospital theatre staff wear masks if not to stop them infecting patients wounds.

Bacterial droplets falling into an open wound was the reason given. Very different. And their use isn't mandated in operating theatres

14 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Wearing of masks by the majority of people gets people thinking about responsibility.

Eh? You're wearing a mask to think about responsibility? Responsiblity for what? Are you wearing in as a sign of compliance?

[WalkedUp]

But even if a mask is only 0.05% effective at reducing your spread to other people, what is the big problem with wearing one? 

For me it’s a none issue. I genuinely couldn’t care less about masks. To begin with I admit that I did feel (stupidly) somehow insulted that the Chinese students in Liverpool were wearing facemasks - as if it implied we were disease ridden. Once I understood that the mask was to prevent your spread to other people I see it as courteous and public spirited. However, when I see non-compliance and it doesn’t make me annoyed or envious - I barely notice. It’s individual freedom and not my business. 

Edited November 19, 2020 by WalkedUp

[treetree]

8 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

But even if a mask is only 0.05% effective at reducing your spread to other people, what is the big problem with wearing one? 

I have no problem at all with you choosing to wear one. But what we have is people being compelled to wear one, with a huge fine if they fail to comply.  

[Scully]

Worked for the Chinese. 👍

[WalkedUp]

9 minutes ago, treetree said:

I have no problem at all with you choosing to wear one. But what we have is people being compelled to wear one, with a huge fine if they fail to comply.  

Fair enough. But apart from demonstrating free will what else is the issue with wearing one? 

I have two toddlers, I understand that self determination and free will are inherent human characteristics. It is what makes us what we are. However to live in a society, for civilisation to work, we must sacrifice some of that freedom for the common good. 

I do disagree with the fines BTW. 

[Demonic69]

Does it say who they interacted with? Were they wearing masks? Surely this is making a case for everyone to wear masks, as there's no point wearing one if everyone else doesn't. Further enforcing the need for fines for those who don't? Would the person responsible for spreading the virus still be spreading it if they were wearing a mask?

There are plenty of infographics showing the need for everyone to wear a mask. It's the same as vaccinations, those who choose not to are putting everyone else at risk by maintaining the spread.

[Mice!]

Oh no I have to wear a mask whilst I'm in the supermarket,  I'm so hard done to 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's a mask big deal. How long will you be in the shop? 30 mins, try wearing one all day dealing with covid patients. 

The problem is you don't like being told what to do, lad in work says the same, that there's such a small chance he would get it why wear a mask.

I've said before that if you can't wear a mask then don't go the shops simple as that.

[Smokersmith]

19 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

The mask over nose and mouth reduces the outward velocity if the droplets therefore reducing the effective range of spread if not eliminating it.  Basic physics.

This ...

A shame folks have so much energy to find ways to see how badly things are going rather than to look for any positives.

 

[Fisheruk]

20 hours ago, oscarsdad said:

A nonsense study as it failed to address the fact that wearing a mask protects others not the wearer. 

Precisely 

[treetree]

8 hours ago, Mice! said:

Oh no I have to wear a mask whilst I'm in the supermarket,  I'm so hard done to 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It's a mask big deal. How long will you be in the shop? 30 mins, try wearing one all day dealing with covid patients. 

The problem is you don't like being told what to do, lad in work says the same, that there's such a small chance he would get it why wear a mask.

I've said before that if you can't wear a mask then don't go the shops simple as that.

There are lots of things I could ask you to do, that aren't a "big deal", are you going to do them? Why aren't you wearing gloves in the shop? Not a big deal is it? Boiler suit? No big deal.

If its no big deal, i presume you will carry on wearing one forever in shops and public places? After all, flu can be fatal, and its no big deal for you to wear one to eliminate the risk.

 

4 hours ago, Smokersmith said:

This ...

A shame folks have so much energy to find ways to see how badly things are going rather than to look for any positives.

 

Please show me the randomised control test that supports this assertion 

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, treetree said:

There are lots of things I could ask you to do, that aren't a "big deal", are you going to do them? Why aren't you wearing gloves in the shop? Not a big deal is it? Boiler suit? No big deal.

If its no big deal, i presume you will carry on wearing one forever in shops and public places? After all, flu can be fatal, and its no big deal for you to wear one to eliminate the risk.

 

Please show me the randomised control test that supports this assertion 

To be honest both of these are rubbish replies. You seem to be trying very hard to justify a position that is not justifiable because putting it simply you are wrong, and you know you are wrong but you have dug yourself into a hole.

"me thinks he doth protest too much"

If you really didn't care you wouldn't have replied

[Gordon R]

Vince - totally agree. If masks were banned, the same people would be demanding the right to wear one. Lacking in common sense and anti-authority.

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, treetree said:

There are lots of things I could ask you to do, that aren't a "big deal", are you going to do them? Why aren't you wearing gloves in the shop? Not a big deal is it? Boiler suit? No big deal.

If its no big deal, i presume you will carry on wearing one forever in shops and public places? After all, flu can be fatal, and its no big deal for you to wear one to eliminate the risk.

I went giving blood today because others need it and hopefully If i ever needed it there would be stocks available. And I wore a mask while I was there, used sanitiser and had my temperature checked. Would you have refused?

I put my lights on driving home today because the weather was naff,  they didn't help me see better but others could see me better and i could see others better, unlike those without their lights on.

I'm wearing a mask while at the shops because it reduces the chance of me spreading something or catching something,  i can use sanitiser on my hands easily,  the biggest inconvenience of wearing a mask while shopping is when you smile at someone to give a thanks then remember your face is covered. 

You do some things because it helps others or reduces the risk of things going wrong.

You need to get a grip, were you that odd person not wearing a mask in Aldi tonight while everyone else was? Were you one of the parents not wearing a mask picking up their kid despite the school asking you to? If you cough or sneeze do you not project particles like everyone else?

[Demonic69]

38 minutes ago, Mice! said:

were you that odd person not wearing a mask in Aldi tonight while everyone else was? 

Have you noticed that the ones not wearing a mask tend to be the loudest in the shop? It's like they have to advertise that they're not following simple guidance

[Mice!]

9 minutes ago, Demonic69 said:

Have you noticed that the ones not wearing a mask tend to be the loudest in the shop? It's like they have to advertise that they're not following simple guidance

Often in pairs shouting to each other.

[treetree]

10 hours ago, Vince Green said:

To be honest both of these are rubbish replies. You seem to be trying very hard to justify a position that is not justifiable because putting it simply you are wrong, and you know you are wrong but you have dug yourself into a hole.

"me thinks he doth protest too much"

If you really didn't care you wouldn't have replied

I'd quality control your own replies (full of unsupported assertions, putting words in my mouth and straw men) before commenting on mine.

Once more, please provide the scientific evidence (ideally randomised control test) that shows wearing a damp bit of cloth over your face foes what you assertion it does.

9 hours ago, Demonic69 said:

Have you noticed that the ones not wearing a mask tend to be the loudest in the shop? It's like they have to advertise that they're not following simple guidance

Its not that they are loud, it's that you have chosen to mute yourself with you damp rag muzzle.

[oscarsdad]

If I were in power not only would I make the vaccine (and all other vaccines) compulsory, I would also erect guard towers in all towns and cities, anyone seen without wearing a mask or not socially distancing gets a rubber bullet to the nuts.  Same treatment would apply to any man carrying a handbag / wearing skinny jeans / having a man bun 

Edited November 21, 2020 by oscarsdad