oscarsdad Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, clangerman said: prioritised=rushed you missed out the FACT data for the vaccine has NOT taken the usual route of being given peer approval first and that is a corner cut Rubbish, prioritised does not equal rushed in the slightest. Throw money and resources at things and they happen more quickly, that doesn’t mean that shortcuts are taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 LBC radio yesterday, James O'briens show, was full of anti vax idiots and their un founded sources of absolute garbage! Not one could make any sort of reliable reference to the source of their opinion, other than maybe from Facebook....dear god!! The worrying thing is, those with sense will have the vaccine when available, immunity for....a year? The plethora of anti vax persons out there, will keep this virus swirling around and around, keeping the rest of us repeatedly vulnerable and it will be here to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, oscarsdad said: Rubbish, prioritised does not equal rushed in the slightest. Throw money and resources at things and they happen more quickly, that doesn’t mean that shortcuts are taken. you can throw as much money and resources at things as you like but peer approval means putting their own reputations at stake hence it’s importance and lack of it means corners HAVE been cut because it takes to long to get peer approval so i am now going to pass on being a guinea pig thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, Docleo said: Then you should know the name of the company you worked for is Pfizer not Pfizers. Could you please enlight me on the skipped steps? I have a PhD in pharmacology, work in safety pharmacology assessment and will have the vaccine as soon as available. Really annoyed by the fake news and self-appointed expert. Tomato tomahto potato potahto Tesco Tescos Pfizer Pfizers. What's the state of play with we immunosuppressed mob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, 243deer said: I used to work for Pfizers and so know very well the usual protocols a drug has to go through to be approved. This cannot have been through the usual rigorous process as there has not been enough time to assess long term adverse reactions so the approval will be for a promising but not fully tested vaccine and the approval will in part be political. It would make a good episode of yes minister What role did you perform for the drug company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 According to the local paper, Hancock says he will take it live on air with Piers Morgan https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/hancock-piers-morgan-take-vaccine-4756322 Personally, I will take it as soon as offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 I will be taking it as soon as it is available to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: According to the local paper, Hancock says he will take it live on air with Piers Morgan https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/hancock-piers-morgan-take-vaccine-4756322 Personally, I will take it as soon as offered. So will I if it got me up the queue and I cannot stand Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 The more people that refuse to have the vaccine the quicker I can have mine I can’t wait to kickstart my life 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 An interesting article was put out I think on BBC (and I know you can take BBC stuff with a pinch of salt) the other day on why the vaccine has got sorted faster than normal. Apart from the good points put by others i.e. its had a slew of money thrown at it and you literally have had the best minds in their field on the planet diverted from other research and on to this. It was shown that on this one the vaccine research staff were not going from a standing start as a lot of the pre work had been in the works for a while based on the previous coronavirus outbreaks such as SARS. One of the Oxford research stated that if the virus was something else i.e. not a corona virus type the development time would have been significantly longer but they basically had a massive head start as they had been researching corona virus vaccine development due to the concern raised with the SARS outbreak several years ago. In essence he stated they caught a lucky break which significantly shortened the development time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: I can have mine I can’t wait to kickstart my life Agreed - except if too many refuse it may prolong some lockdown aspects 3 minutes ago, Zetter said: An interesting article was put out I think on BBC ........ I have also heard similar and it does sound very likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, JohnfromUK said: Agreed - except if too many refuse it may prolong some lockdown aspects I have also heard similar and it does sound very likely. So those of us that have it become free from lockdown and anti-vaxxers can stay inside. Win - win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, oscarsdad said: So those of us that have it become free from lockdown and anti-vaxxers can stay inside. Win - win! Suits me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Gordon R said: Those who oppose the vaccine seem to think any adverse effects will show up almost immediately. There may or may not be adverse effects, but they may be years down the road. At what point will the anti-vaccine people declare it safe? Kind of the argument why there would normally be a 10-15 year development of a vaccine. How do you know the long term effects of a hitherto unused form of vaccine, m-RNA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 I will have the vaccine as soon as its available to me. Either the Pfizer or the Oxford/AstraZeneca one. I would prefer the Oxford/AstraZeneca one for sentimental reasons, but I am not fussy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Has there ever ben a really bad vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Gordon R said: Has there ever ben a really bad vaccine? Thalidomide wasn't exactly an unqualified success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, JDog said: Thalidomide wasn't exactly an unqualified success. Nor was it a vaccine ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 I can’t wait to have it, then I can get out to play again and get in with my life. Those who don’t want it don’t have to ( they’ll have it eventually ) but they’re leaving themselves vulnerable in my opinion, and will have to go in wearing masks and staying 2m away from people until they do. We’ll see how that pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Has there ever ben a really bad vaccine? I had the rabies vaccine. Made me howl at the moon, chase balls and lick my own ********. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, JDog said: Thalidomide wasn't exactly an unqualified success. This is exactly the sort of misinformation that is going to cause gullible people to avoid a safe vaccine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 No matter what trials it has been through there will always be that niggling feeling that there are some unknown long term effects especially when rolling it out as a national program. I wouldn't be surprised if once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated they decide its not necessary for everyone else to have it. Its not just your typical anti-vaxxers who are skeptical on this one, I reckon its a 50/50 split of people i know who will have the vaccine and will refuse it. As this virus seems no worse than heavy dose of the flu for younger people dont be upset if the a huge number decide not to have it, pretty much every one I know now under 40 doesnt give a toss about actually catching the virus they are following the rules to protect their older relatives and people they come into contact with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, oscarsdad said: This is exactly the sort of misinformation that is going to cause gullible people to avoid a safe vaccine... The point of my post was to show that trials of Thalidomide were hasty and the long term effects were not established. Isn't it amazing how many experts on the new Covid 19 vaccine have appeared on PW? Not only that but a direct correlation between the new vaccine and gullible people seems to have been established already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Has there ever ben a really bad vaccine? yes, the swine flu vaccine caused brain damage https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/victims-of-swine-flu-jab-to-get-pound60m-payout-02ptvlnlzqk https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/ 9 minutes ago, Scully said: I can’t wait to have it, then I can get out to play again and get in with my life. Those who don’t want it don’t have to ( they’ll have it eventually ) but they’re leaving themselves vulnerable in my opinion, and will have to go in wearing masks and staying 2m away from people until they do. We’ll see how that pans out. why would they need to do that if the vulnerable have been vaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 2, 2020 Report Share Posted December 2, 2020 Deker - thanks for that. Anyone I have discussed it with always trots out Thalidomide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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