Vince Green Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 and this is from The Scotsman so not some English newspaper they can accuse of bias Alex Salmond inquiry shows Nicola Sturgeon's government is no longer subject to democratic checks and balances – Brian Wilson | The Scotsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 As if we were not already aware. Drain the swamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 A sad state of affairs for Scotland........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 Absolute disgrace I just hope this does not disappear and people are held to account for what has happened Over £500k of tax payers money wasted and then we find out a further £50k spent on coaching civil servants to give evidence, if your telling the truth why do you need coaching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 An article written by a Labour politician for a Centre-right newspaper.... No risk of bias there then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, aldivalloch said: An article written by a Labour politician for a Centre-right newspaper.... No risk of bias there then. Well your not going to get a SNP politician to write it are you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, johnphilip said: Well your not going to get a SNP politician to write it are you . In such an unlikely case there would again be significant risk of bias. Simply suggesting that anyone searching for the facts is highly unlikely to find them in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, aldivalloch said: In such an unlikely case there would again be significant risk of bias. Simply suggesting that anyone searching for the facts is highly unlikely to find them in the media. That why I watch YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 YouTube?? I take it you're jesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, aldivalloch said: YouTube?? I take it you're jesting! Not at all , there is no media or TV news reported here in Scotland re the goings on in holyrood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, johnphilip said: Not at all , there is no media or TV news reported here in Scotland re the goings on in holyrood Really? Nothing on the BBC and ITV news? Surprised they haven't been following events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, aldivalloch said: Really? Nothing on the BBC and ITV news? Surprised they haven't been following events. No longer trust those two channels for reporting facts , more so the Scottish news reports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 Sky News Australia is a great source of information on all sorts of stuff that the so called News Media in the UK & Europe seems to conveniently overlook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, johnphilip said: No longer trust those two channels for reporting facts , more so the Scottish news reports And you see YouTube as a viable alternative? Which sources do you follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, aldivalloch said: An article written by a Labour politician for a Centre-right newspaper.... No risk of bias there then. An opinion piece at that. The Scotsman was once a respected quality broadsheet here, they lost claim to that title a long time ago. BBC is also pro-union, I’m surprised that they don’t float the boat of the OP. But getting your news on YouTube.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 Will have a look at Sky News! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 I think there should be an impeachment trial 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 Quote An article written by a Labour politician for a Centre-right newspaper.... No risk of bias there then. Whether anyone thinks this biased or not - perhaps you could point out what is factually incorrect. It could have been far more damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 In this particular instance there is undoubtably a great many questions that stem from the process and the management of that process before even delving into the various allegations. The fact that Lady Dorian described the committee's and COPFS legal interpretation and judgement in respect to not hearing evidence in this case due to a confidentiality order in a separate case as being "absurd" should be enough to ring alarm bells. The explanation of Lady Dorian's ruling to be issued on Monday will be pivotal to what happens next and I expect there will be significant discomfort amongst the upper echelons of the SNP. The wheels are starting to come of the wagon for the ruling elite of the SNP, there is civil war within the party and it is only going to get worse. A potential 50,000 party members resigning from the SNP in the course of a month such is the level of unhappiness. The suggestion that it may have been a potential list candidate for an SNP MSP seat, who is himself the partner of a sitting male SNP MP, made a threat on twitter of 'a corrective raping' to another female SNP MP shows the staggering level of discord in that party. The fact the party leadership have not made a specific statement in support of the female MSP is bewildering. The reason for the threat of a 'corrective rape'? The female MSP had the temerity to suggest that sex is an immutable characteristic and women should not lose their protected rights in the face of the extreme trans lobby that is gaining significant influence in the SNP. Setting aside whether they are left or right leaning, pro independence or against, it staggers me that any woman in Scotland would want to vote for a party that is actively pursuing policies to erode their rights and their very sexual identity. There are a couple of ongoing court cases in Scotland and likely to be another couple that will really bring into clarity the level of corruption at the top of the SNP, too many people know and the truth will soon break through the increasingly flimsy legal barrier the SNP leadership have built around it. The evidence is already in the hands of journalists, some of whom are SNP party members and it is only a matter of time until that is made clear to all. The £500,000 paid to Salmond pales into insignificance in the face of the £24m paid out, so far, as compensation as a result of an admitted malicious prosecution by the COPFS (Scottish Government) in the Rangers takeover debacle. The potential yet exists for that bill to the tax payer to reach in excess of £100m because the Scottish Government maliciously set out to falsely prosecute private individuals. The sad thing through all of this, that those who are so fixated on Scottish Independence are entirely content to turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing, they are actively encouraging others to stay silent and not risk any damage to the reputation of the SNP, and specifically the brand of Sturgeon, no matter how corrupt the leadership may be, in case it damages the indy cause. They genuinely don't care the leader of their party may have been complicit in a scheme that could have seen an innocent man spend the remainder of his life in jail, they do not care that sitting MP's are threatened with a 'corrective rape' and those that make that threat are buoyed and motivated by the words of the First Minister, they do not care that the justice secretary is actively promoting a bill that would see private family discussions around the dinner table subject to police action if someone even disagrees with the notion that a man can be a woman just because he says so. Appreciate this post is probably very boring and dry to most on here, but i find it quite sickening how so many in Scotland are prepared to sacrifice integrity and decency in not even considering the potential of corruption at the very top of the SNP. To be so fixated by a single ideology that corruption and malicious prosecution of private individuals by the state is completely ignored! In some cases the SNAT's are genuinely suggesting it is an MI5 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, grrclark said: In this particular instance there is undoubtably a great many questions that stem from the process and the management of that process before even delving into the various allegations. The fact that Lady Dorian described the committee's and COPFS legal interpretation and judgement in respect to not hearing evidence in this case due to a confidentiality order in a separate case as being "absurd" should be enough to ring alarm bells. The explanation of Lady Dorian's ruling to be issued on Monday will be pivotal to what happens next and I expect there will be significant discomfort amongst the upper echelons of the SNP. The wheels are starting to come of the wagon for the ruling elite of the SNP, there is civil war within the party and it is only going to get worse. A potential 50,000 party members resigning from the SNP in the course of a month such is the level of unhappiness. The suggestion that it may have been a potential list candidate for an SNP MSP seat, who is himself the partner of a sitting male SNP MP, made a threat on twitter of 'a corrective raping' to another female SNP MP shows the staggering level of discord in that party. The fact the party leadership have not made a specific statement in support of the female MSP is bewildering. The reason for the threat of a 'corrective rape'? The female MSP had the temerity to suggest that sex is an immutable characteristic and women should not lose their protected rights in the face of the extreme trans lobby that is gaining significant influence in the SNP. Setting aside whether they are left or right leaning, pro independence or against, it staggers me that any woman in Scotland would want to vote for a party that is actively pursuing policies to erode their rights and their very sexual identity. There are a couple of ongoing court cases in Scotland and likely to be another couple that will really bring into clarity the level of corruption at the top of the SNP, too many people know and the truth will soon break through the increasingly flimsy legal barrier the SNP leadership have built around it. The evidence is already in the hands of journalists, some of whom are SNP party members and it is only a matter of time until that is made clear to all. The £500,000 paid to Salmond pales into insignificance in the face of the £24m paid out, so far, as compensation as a result of an admitted malicious prosecution by the COPFS (Scottish Government) in the Rangers takeover debacle. The potential yet exists for that bill to the tax payer to reach in excess of £100m because the Scottish Government maliciously set out to falsely prosecute private individuals. The sad thing through all of this, that those who are so fixated on Scottish Independence are entirely content to turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing, they are actively encouraging others to stay silent and not risk any damage to the reputation of the SNP, and specifically the brand of Sturgeon, no matter how corrupt the leadership may be, in case it damages the indy cause. They genuinely don't care the leader of their party may have been complicit in a scheme that could have seen an innocent man spend the remainder of his life in jail, they do not care that sitting MP's are threatened with a 'corrective rape' and those that make that threat are buoyed and motivated by the words of the First Minister, they do not care that the justice secretary is actively promoting a bill that would see private family discussions around the dinner table subject to police action if someone even disagrees with the notion that a man can be a woman just because he says so. Appreciate this post is probably very boring and dry to most on here, but i find it quite sickening how so many in Scotland are prepared to sacrifice integrity and decency in not even considering the potential of corruption at the very top of the SNP. To be so fixated by a single ideology that corruption and malicious prosecution of private individuals by the state is completely ignored! In some cases the SNAT's are genuinely suggesting it is an MI5 campaign. 1000% correct well written and so factual Its the old saying " independence at any cost ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, grrclark said: In this particular instance there is undoubtably a great many questions that stem from the process and the management of that process before even delving into the various allegations. The fact that Lady Dorian described the committee's and COPFS legal interpretation and judgement in respect to not hearing evidence in this case due to a confidentiality order in a separate case as being "absurd" should be enough to ring alarm bells. The explanation of Lady Dorian's ruling to be issued on Monday will be pivotal to what happens next and I expect there will be significant discomfort amongst the upper echelons of the SNP. The wheels are starting to come of the wagon for the ruling elite of the SNP, there is civil war within the party and it is only going to get worse. A potential 50,000 party members resigning from the SNP in the course of a month such is the level of unhappiness. The suggestion that it may have been a potential list candidate for an SNP MSP seat, who is himself the partner of a sitting male SNP MP, made a threat on twitter of 'a corrective raping' to another female SNP MP shows the staggering level of discord in that party. The fact the party leadership have not made a specific statement in support of the female MSP is bewildering. The reason for the threat of a 'corrective rape'? The female MSP had the temerity to suggest that sex is an immutable characteristic and women should not lose their protected rights in the face of the extreme trans lobby that is gaining significant influence in the SNP. Setting aside whether they are left or right leaning, pro independence or against, it staggers me that any woman in Scotland would want to vote for a party that is actively pursuing policies to erode their rights and their very sexual identity. There are a couple of ongoing court cases in Scotland and likely to be another couple that will really bring into clarity the level of corruption at the top of the SNP, too many people know and the truth will soon break through the increasingly flimsy legal barrier the SNP leadership have built around it. The evidence is already in the hands of journalists, some of whom are SNP party members and it is only a matter of time until that is made clear to all. The £500,000 paid to Salmond pales into insignificance in the face of the £24m paid out, so far, as compensation as a result of an admitted malicious prosecution by the COPFS (Scottish Government) in the Rangers takeover debacle. The potential yet exists for that bill to the tax payer to reach in excess of £100m because the Scottish Government maliciously set out to falsely prosecute private individuals. The sad thing through all of this, that those who are so fixated on Scottish Independence are entirely content to turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing, they are actively encouraging others to stay silent and not risk any damage to the reputation of the SNP, and specifically the brand of Sturgeon, no matter how corrupt the leadership may be, in case it damages the indy cause. They genuinely don't care the leader of their party may have been complicit in a scheme that could have seen an innocent man spend the remainder of his life in jail, they do not care that sitting MP's are threatened with a 'corrective rape' and those that make that threat are buoyed and motivated by the words of the First Minister, they do not care that the justice secretary is actively promoting a bill that would see private family discussions around the dinner table subject to police action if someone even disagrees with the notion that a man can be a woman just because he says so. Appreciate this post is probably very boring and dry to most on here, but i find it quite sickening how so many in Scotland are prepared to sacrifice integrity and decency in not even considering the potential of corruption at the very top of the SNP. To be so fixated by a single ideology that corruption and malicious prosecution of private individuals by the state is completely ignored! In some cases the SNAT's are genuinely suggesting it is an MI5 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, grrclark said: In this particular instance there is undoubtably a great many questions that stem from the process and the management of that process before even delving into the various allegations. The fact that Lady Dorian described the committee's and COPFS legal interpretation and judgement in respect to not hearing evidence in this case due to a confidentiality order in a separate case as being "absurd" should be enough to ring alarm bells. The explanation of Lady Dorian's ruling to be issued on Monday will be pivotal to what happens next and I expect there will be significant discomfort amongst the upper echelons of the SNP. The wheels are starting to come of the wagon for the ruling elite of the SNP, there is civil war within the party and it is only going to get worse. A potential 50,000 party members resigning from the SNP in the course of a month such is the level of unhappiness. The suggestion that it may have been a potential list candidate for an SNP MSP seat, who is himself the partner of a sitting male SNP MP, made a threat on twitter of 'a corrective raping' to another female SNP MP shows the staggering level of discord in that party. The fact the party leadership have not made a specific statement in support of the female MSP is bewildering. The reason for the threat of a 'corrective rape'? The female MSP had the temerity to suggest that sex is an immutable characteristic and women should not lose their protected rights in the face of the extreme trans lobby that is gaining significant influence in the SNP. Setting aside whether they are left or right leaning, pro independence or against, it staggers me that any woman in Scotland would want to vote for a party that is actively pursuing policies to erode their rights and their very sexual identity. There are a couple of ongoing court cases in Scotland and likely to be another couple that will really bring into clarity the level of corruption at the top of the SNP, too many people know and the truth will soon break through the increasingly flimsy legal barrier the SNP leadership have built around it. The evidence is already in the hands of journalists, some of whom are SNP party members and it is only a matter of time until that is made clear to all. The £500,000 paid to Salmond pales into insignificance in the face of the £24m paid out, so far, as compensation as a result of an admitted malicious prosecution by the COPFS (Scottish Government) in the Rangers takeover debacle. The potential yet exists for that bill to the tax payer to reach in excess of £100m because the Scottish Government maliciously set out to falsely prosecute private individuals. The sad thing through all of this, that those who are so fixated on Scottish Independence are entirely content to turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing, they are actively encouraging others to stay silent and not risk any damage to the reputation of the SNP, and specifically the brand of Sturgeon, no matter how corrupt the leadership may be, in case it damages the indy cause. They genuinely don't care the leader of their party may have been complicit in a scheme that could have seen an innocent man spend the remainder of his life in jail, they do not care that sitting MP's are threatened with a 'corrective rape' and those that make that threat are buoyed and motivated by the words of the First Minister, they do not care that the justice secretary is actively promoting a bill that would see private family discussions around the dinner table subject to police action if someone even disagrees with the notion that a man can be a woman just because he says so. Appreciate this post is probably very boring and dry to most on here, but i find it quite sickening how so many in Scotland are prepared to sacrifice integrity and decency in not even considering the potential of corruption at the very top of the SNP. To be so fixated by a single ideology that corruption and malicious prosecution of private individuals by the state is completely ignored! In some cases the SNAT's are genuinely suggesting it is an MI5 campaign. Absolutely correct What we are witnessing is a digrace, the way this government blocks and obstructs any investigation into its dealings is staggering but not unsurprising. You only have to watch the FM's briefings or FMQ's and she will not answer anyone that dares question what she and her government do. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, do as I say not as I do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, grrclark said: In this particular instance there is undoubtably a great many questions that stem from the process and the management of that process before even delving into the various allegations. The fact that Lady Dorian described the committee's and COPFS legal interpretation and judgement in respect to not hearing evidence in this case due to a confidentiality order in a separate case as being "absurd" should be enough to ring alarm bells. The explanation of Lady Dorian's ruling to be issued on Monday will be pivotal to what happens next and I expect there will be significant discomfort amongst the upper echelons of the SNP. The wheels are starting to come of the wagon for the ruling elite of the SNP, there is civil war within the party and it is only going to get worse. A potential 50,000 party members resigning from the SNP in the course of a month such is the level of unhappiness. The suggestion that it may have been a potential list candidate for an SNP MSP seat, who is himself the partner of a sitting male SNP MP, made a threat on twitter of 'a corrective raping' to another female SNP MP shows the staggering level of discord in that party. The fact the party leadership have not made a specific statement in support of the female MSP is bewildering. The reason for the threat of a 'corrective rape'? The female MSP had the temerity to suggest that sex is an immutable characteristic and women should not lose their protected rights in the face of the extreme trans lobby that is gaining significant influence in the SNP. Setting aside whether they are left or right leaning, pro independence or against, it staggers me that any woman in Scotland would want to vote for a party that is actively pursuing policies to erode their rights and their very sexual identity. There are a couple of ongoing court cases in Scotland and likely to be another couple that will really bring into clarity the level of corruption at the top of the SNP, too many people know and the truth will soon break through the increasingly flimsy legal barrier the SNP leadership have built around it. The evidence is already in the hands of journalists, some of whom are SNP party members and it is only a matter of time until that is made clear to all. The £500,000 paid to Salmond pales into insignificance in the face of the £24m paid out, so far, as compensation as a result of an admitted malicious prosecution by the COPFS (Scottish Government) in the Rangers takeover debacle. The potential yet exists for that bill to the tax payer to reach in excess of £100m because the Scottish Government maliciously set out to falsely prosecute private individuals. The sad thing through all of this, that those who are so fixated on Scottish Independence are entirely content to turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing, they are actively encouraging others to stay silent and not risk any damage to the reputation of the SNP, and specifically the brand of Sturgeon, no matter how corrupt the leadership may be, in case it damages the indy cause. They genuinely don't care the leader of their party may have been complicit in a scheme that could have seen an innocent man spend the remainder of his life in jail, they do not care that sitting MP's are threatened with a 'corrective rape' and those that make that threat are buoyed and motivated by the words of the First Minister, they do not care that the justice secretary is actively promoting a bill that would see private family discussions around the dinner table subject to police action if someone even disagrees with the notion that a man can be a woman just because he says so. Appreciate this post is probably very boring and dry to most on here, but i find it quite sickening how so many in Scotland are prepared to sacrifice integrity and decency in not even considering the potential of corruption at the very top of the SNP. To be so fixated by a single ideology that corruption and malicious prosecution of private individuals by the state is completely ignored! In some cases the SNAT's are genuinely suggesting it is an MI5 campaign. It's also interesting the amount of spin fired out to the SNP faithful on Facebook (probably Twitter too but I am not on it) whenever there is something bad happening for the SNP such as the above and it seems to work well as they refuse to see anything other than the perceived end game of independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, henry d said: It's also interesting the amount of spin fired out to the SNP faithful on Facebook (probably Twitter too but I am not on it) whenever there is something bad happening for the SNP such as the above and it seems to work well as they refuse to see anything other than the perceived end game of independence. Their core following are blind to the truth and would never dare question their leader I don't understand that in 2014 the SNP were prepared to take Scotland out of the EU for their own goal to achieve independence but now cite the reason for wanting independence is to get back in the EU which they have no guarantee of anyway BTW I see the SG have lost a further £50m on the investment in BiFab, incompetent is been generous when describing the SG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 An informative post GrrC. I hadn't heard of the Rangers case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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