Little dog Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Empire cartridges are asking me to send my shotgun certificate by post to them,they then take a copy of my certificate and send it back.Seems strange when I can take a photo of it and email it to them.Is it a good idea to send certificate to some you do not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 No chance. Photo copy, fax or email but pretty sure I wouldn't sent the original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I'm sure just cartridges do the same.they would need to see the original,theres nowt to stop you sening a blag one via an email.just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little dog Posted February 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 They have replied to my email and said it’s Lancashire police policy,has any one dealt with Empire cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr grumpy said: I'm sure just cartridges do the same.they would need to see the original,theres nowt to stop you sening a blag one via an email.just saying. I'm sure they don't, or not anymore anyway. I uploaded a pic of my SGC to the website. Sort of more in keeping with the 21st century... 21 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said: Photo copy, fax or email but pretty sure I wouldn't sent the original Have you used a fax machine this century? Incidentally, as emails are unencrypted this is a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, Mr grumpy said: I'm sure just cartridges do the same.they would need to see the original,theres nowt to stop you sening a blag one via an email.just saying. I just sent them a picture of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Have you used a fax machine this century? Incidentally, as emails are unencrypted this is a bad idea. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I must admit,the only time i have used jc was when they first started.so yes,times and technology have changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmo Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I sent mine and the posted it back recorded delivery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delwint Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Little dog said: They have replied to my email and said it’s Lancashire police policy,has any one dealt with Empire cartridges I’ve dealt with Empire Cartridges. Andrew is a great lad to deal with. I was the first paying customer in the country, and due to a courier problem, he drove my order 2.5 hours to my door!!!!!! And also I’ve sent my licence and had it back very quickly by recorded delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Years ago the importers of RC Cartridges kept a photocopy of my licence on file at their request and it was taken in my presence. I had no problem with that, but yet again it would appear that a Police Force are making up their own rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 ..nothing new there then,I`m sure BASC will be onto Lancs Constabulary like a ton of cotton wool! It`s a shame for Empire as it`ll be stopping a lot of people from trying their product,which looks good.They`ll have to try and get them into a few dealers around the regions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I guess a photo of a certificate proves that you had one. Not that you've got one. I wouldn't consider Empire untrustworthy .. the post however is up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 The law states that you must show the original certificate each and every time of purchasing shotgun cartridges, it does not allow for copies, be that in paper or electronic form. Otherwise how does the seller know you still have a certificate, could have one this month but it gets revoked next month. So technically JC or Empire cannot hold a copy on file and be compliant with the letter of the law. But as we know each police force allows what ever they like or do not like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, matone said: like a ton of cotton wool! That's a lot of cotton wool. Still has the same mass as a ton of bricks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: That's a lot of cotton wool. Still has the same mass as a ton of bricks though. But the bricks do not put on a candy floss appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, rbrowning2 said: The law states that you must show the original certificate each and every time of purchasing shotgun cartridges, it does not allow for copies, be that in paper or electronic form. Unfortunately, the law dates from 1988, when there was no internet to speak of and needs to play catch-up with technology....... Without any additional new restrictive laws being tacked on. Similarly, certificates should have moved on to credit card to carry and paper cert for transfers, marking up rifle ammo purchase at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Stonepark said: Similarly, certificates should have moved on to credit card to carry and paper cert for transfers, marking up rifle ammo purchase at least I asked my local gun shop why and they said because some are not online and there is no obligation in law for a shop to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: The law states that you must show the original certificate each and every time of purchasing shotgun cartridges, it does not allow for copies, be that in paper or electronic form. JustCartridges have been flying in the face of this rule for years. Met police RFD's are not allowed to work the same system which means an uncompetitive market hence JC prices being on the high side. 6 hours ago, matone said: like a ton of cotton wool! that made me chuckle 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Stonepark said: Similarly, certificates should have moved on to credit card to carry and paper cert for transfers, marking up rifle ammo purchase at least Nice idea but can you see public money being spent on implementing such a system for the benefit of gun owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Stonepark said: Similarly, certificates should have moved on to credit card to carry and paper cert for transfers, marking up rifle ammo purchase at least You...you do remember what absolute cluster **** the paper counterpart for the driving licence was? Obviously it varies by force area, but transfers are now done online, which give you a transaction reference number. The actual writing onto the SGC is a legal requirement to be sure, but that master record is the database. Your cert needs to match that, not the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 10 hours ago, matone said: ..nothing new there then,I`m sure BASC will be onto Lancs Constabulary like a ton of cotton wool! It`s a shame for Empire as it`ll be stopping a lot of people from trying their product,which looks good.They`ll have to try and get them into a few dealers around the regions . their product does look good and we spoke to empire cartridges about stocking their product , the problem was the cost to us was too high , there is not much markup on carts as a supplier and we would have to sell basic 30g 6s for more than most pigeon/ clay shooters are willing to pay. not many clay / pigeon shooters want to pay more than £50 to £55 a slab and our trade price was higher than that. who is going to pay £65 for empire when we can offer gamebore at £52 with the same profit margin on both we would loved to have stocked them but it was not financially viable wish them all the luck but they will struggle to get into retailers on their current pricing structure unfortunately shooters will pay anything up to £100 a slab if they are shooting pheasants but pigeons are not worth those prices apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Who has tried Empire carts and what do you think of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, monster1971 said: their product does look good and we spoke to empire cartridges about stocking their product , the problem was the cost to us was too high , there is not much markup on carts as a supplier and we would have to sell basic 30g 6s for more than most pigeon/ clay shooters are willing to pay. not many clay / pigeon shooters want to pay more than £50 to £55 a slab and our trade price was higher than that. who is going to pay £65 for empire when we can offer gamebore at £52 with the same profit margin on both we would loved to have stocked them but it was not financially viable wish them all the luck but they will struggle to get into retailers on their current pricing structure unfortunately shooters will pay anything up to £100 a slab if they are shooting pheasants but pigeons are not worth those prices apparently That backs up what another retailer told me tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmo Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 I have tried them on pigeons and the 36g on high pheasant and they are excellent ...... very clean and kill well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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