Deker Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: What? COVID will not be going away. Eventually, beligerantly, the government has accepted this, but as yet there are scant clues as to what they will mandate us to do differently. It won't be going anywhere but the difference is that it won't be a threat anymore, it won't be long at all before it's just an inconvenient memory and thought of like the flu. The government can't afford for this to be dragged out any longer, no matter what other people suggest there's only a finite amount of money that can be dedicated to lockdowns and furlough, and without both there's no way that any government would expect people to adhere to rules, the truth is a part of society have just treat the whole thing as one big jolly (the cracking summer last year didn't help) but it's almost over and I for one will be continuing like it never happened which I've done all along and carried out my hobbies where allowed through the whole thing, I've worked it all, even volunteered but was fortunate to have a holiday before it started and managed to keep shooting right up until November (when the weather changes anyway), I've been lucky and only had 2 inconveniences, a cancelled holiday (which is now planned for October) and I couldn't invite as many people to my dads funeral in December (none covid). It's what you make of it and I'm happy to see the plans that have been laid out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 7 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: July, till things are open possibly. On what planet is this good news? They announce this 'data not dates' policy, then immediately tell us dates way out in the future which will not be brought forward, even if the data allows it. Just how stupid do they think we are? What were you expecting, right everyone things are looking good so everything is back open crack on? I didn't expect things to re open before Easter because they said they were going to go slowly. The dates give people an idea, something to aim for, I haven't heard anyone, until this say they aren't happy with what's been said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Restrictions will be lifted quicker than was published yesterday - Boris needs to do something to make himself and the govt look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Deker said: It won't be going anywhere but the difference is that it won't be a threat anymore, it won't be long at all before it's just an inconvenient memory and thought of like the flu. The government can't afford for this to be dragged out any longer, no matter what other people suggest there's only a finite amount of money that can be dedicated to lockdowns and furlough, and without both there's no way that any government would expect people to adhere to rules, the truth is a part of society have just treat the whole thing as one big jolly (the cracking summer last year didn't help) but it's almost over and I for one will be continuing like it never happened which I've done all along and carried out my hobbies where allowed through the whole thing, I've worked it all, even volunteered but was fortunate to have a holiday before it started and managed to keep shooting right up until November (when the weather changes anyway), I've been lucky and only had 2 inconveniences, a cancelled holiday (which is now planned for October) and I couldn't invite as many people to my dads funeral in December (none covid). It's what you make of it and I'm happy to see the plans that have been laid out Good post. More or less how I see it. Without trying to sound selfish or unfeeling, ( I do genuinely know and feel for many people this has effected ) for me personally this entire thing has just been one massive inconvenience. It has effected my work to a degree, but nothing I can’t and won’t get over, and on a personal level has prevented me from seeing as much of my kids as I would like, and apart from ruining my shooting season ( I’ve still shot ) hasn’t really effected me. We’ll learn to live with this just as we do all the other viruses we live with, and just get on with our lives. There is no alternative, and I’m not sure what some think the alternatives should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 7 hours ago, mel b3 said: I can't wait , I don't need foreign holidays, or dining in posh restaurants , I'll be happy to just sit in the woods , and sharpen a stick. 6 hours ago, mel b3 said: My woodland is in Wales, and I can't really use sharpening a stick as justification to travel there . To be honest , I could probably blag it if I should get a tug by the police , but I wouldn't because going there wouldn't be the fair , or responsible, thing to do really. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Some lady on Sky being interviewed as a spokesperson for the travel industry. She said websites are jammed with people looking to try an book holidays once restrictions get lifted. Lemmings have more sense than these people, lift the domestic restrictions but keep the travel ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Some lady on Sky being interviewed as a spokesperson for the travel industry. She said websites are jammed with people looking to try an book holidays once restrictions get lifted. Lemmings have more sense than these people, lift the domestic restrictions but keep the travel ban. They said bookings for the likes of Majorca Alicante and such places had gone up 500% It will only be deposits getting paid, but no thanks, you have no idea what will be going on when you get there. You probably have to do a sheep impression when you get on the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 17 hours ago, blackbird said: 4. pubs can reopen in 2025 ( as I am tea total & only eat cheese) you got that wrong - he eats Turnips - he collects cheese but only Caerphilly - he stores them in his two story, 3 bedroom garden shed that he has on one of his million pound houses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Vince Green said: Lemmings have more sense than these people, lift the domestic restrictions but keep the travel ban. Nonsensical , theres never been a travel ban, tourism has been largely curtailed, but people have been travelling to and from the UK without interruption for other reasons , with no real checks on quarantine. Now, when most , if not all those who are vulnerable have, or will be vaccinated , you still dont want people to go on holiday ? 12 hours ago, Mice! said: It will only be deposits getting paid, but no thanks, you have no idea what will be going on when you get there. If theres a problem with the destination , they wouldnt let you go surely ? Plus if you book with someone reputable, most are offering to move the date forward for free anyway. 12 hours ago, Mice! said: You probably have to do a sheep impression when you get on the plane. I dont really understand that comment, besides the fact you get treated like a sheep on a plane anyway, are you saying that people who aspire to go on a foreign holiday this summer are stupid ? If you have worked through the last year ect , its not like you are too paranoid about catching it ? Its as if you dont trust this vaccine or something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Mice! said: What were you expecting, right everyone things are looking good so everything is back open crack on? Yes. I was born in a free country, but it seems I'm not going to die in one. 17 hours ago, Mice! said: The dates give people an idea, something to aim for, I haven't heard anyone, until this say they aren't happy with what's been said. You're happy that normal life has to be on hold till July (IF you believe that, that is), despite the fact that all the vulnerable are now vaccinated? Seriously? Leaving aside for a minute whether lockdowns work, or whether they're worth the cost in terms of human life and the economy (spoiler: they don't and they're not) - think about it this way: That's still a full financial quarter before hospitality will, allegedly, be allowed to open as normal. I don't know what you lot professing to be looking forward to going to the pub think, but I suspect there won't be many left. The British pub as an institution is effectively dead, and the public health bods are seemingly positively enthusiastic about the concept. There have been a few articles written by those who follow these things, that the temperance movement had gained quite a foothold in the likes of PHE prior to this COVID madness. It took 14 weeks for the infection rate to rise after pubs were allowed to reopen, but they were still shut immediately. I would urge you to forget pubs, they're not coming back. Not without drastic action at least. Edited February 24, 2021 by udderlyoffroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Nonsensical , theres never been a travel ban, tourism has been largely curtailed, but people have been travelling to and from the UK without interruption for other reasons , with no real checks on quarantine. Now, when most , if not all those who are vulnerable have, or will be vaccinated , you still dont want people to go on holiday ? If theres a problem with the destination , they wouldnt let you go surely ? Plus if you book with someone reputable, most are offering to move the date forward for free anyway. I dont really understand that comment, besides the fact you get treated like a sheep on a plane anyway, are you saying that people who aspire to go on a foreign holiday this summer are stupid ? If you have worked through the last year ect , its not like you are too paranoid about catching it ? Its as if you dont trust this vaccine or something ? I'm booked up for Vegas in October and can't wait, I've worked all through the lockdown and the trip I had booked last year (Vegas) was cancelled, I had a voucher to use (or lose) before April so have booked for October, I'll hopefully be shooting the Imperial in July and all being well will also try for a holiday in August. I also have friends from the USA visiting in June and it'll be great to see them again. As for pubs, I'll also be in those as soon as they open too as I like a meal out with friends. It's only my opinion but it's time to get life back on track and put the covid mess behind, if people want to still take precautions then that's fine but don't be selfish and expect others to put their life on hold longer too, companies need support so I'll do my bit. Edited February 24, 2021 by Deker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, Deker said: It's only my opinion but it's time to get life back on track and put the covid mess behind, if people want to still take precautions then that's fine but don't be selfish and expect others to put their life on hold longer too, companies need support so I'll do my bit. Exactly, theres too many people out there who have become 'covid reliant' , and dont seem to WANT things to go back to normal, well they can stay at home and save themselves if theyre scared. Theres plenty of us face life threatening work , day in, day out, not to mention when youre getting on in age, the grim reaper is never far away in some shape or form. Enjoy your life the best you can, if you keep waiting till its 'safe' , you'll never do anything , because its never going to be safe, it never was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Exactly, theres too many people out there who have become 'covid reliant' , and dont seem to WANT things to go back to normal, well they can stay at home and save themselves if theyre scared. Theres plenty of us face life threatening work , day in, day out, not to mention when youre getting on in age, the grim reaper is never far away in some shape or form. Enjoy your life the best you can, if you keep waiting till its 'safe' , you'll never do anything , because its never going to be safe, it never was. This. Our village pub will be opening up asap, and I’ve no doubt as soon as it does the caravan site will be inundated with visitors and regulars. I can’t wait to get back to normal. Roll on summer! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 22/02/2021 at 20:42, Walker570 said: Just common sense .....very uncommon these days. BUT, we can still go out freely and enjoy ourselves how we wish using what bit of common sense we may have. I can drive 70 miles to one of my areas without the fear of some overzealous copper jumping on me. At least it should stop all this pathetic huggin and cheek kissing every time you meet or depart from someones company. I do think the pubs and eating establishments should be opened without delay along with all the businesses, hair dressers etc etc. Get back to as near normal as we can. All of those in the upper age group should be double jabbed by the end of March and this is where the major death numbers have occurred. I would like to know how many of the total deaths have been caued by the virus being caught when in hospital for another illness. Report of an 88year old this last week, recovering from his illness and caught the covid in hospital which killed him. Questions need to be asked. Where do you get this false info from? Everyone we know who is in this category have their second jab late April! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Cant wait to get back to normal! Not worried about holidays but just being able to see friends and family without worrying will be great. Did like the speech, "we are leaving 5 weeks between each lifting of the restrictions to assess the data" in the next breath Step 1 on 8th March, Step 1B 29th March, Step 2 12th April. I am sure most people would call Step 1B well Step 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 One year into two weeks to flatten the curve. Boris is a ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, DUNKS said: Where do you get this false info from? Everyone we know who is in this category have their second jab late April! Not false information We are booked 30 March and our Practise said that they intended for all of those on our list to be done by then. I know that another practise 2 miles in the opposite direction have told their oldies the end of April and I have two friends similar age group who have their booked then but had their first jab two weeks before ours. I can only say that our Practise arrangements ahve been spot on and extremely well informed and organised. We left home, drove 25 minutes, 10 mins early so sat in the car. Walked across to the line at our time and ten minutes later walked out done and drove home all in one hour, door to door. I think it is all down to who is organising it. One of the reasons we chose to join the Practise we did when we moved here 30yrs ago. We refer to them as the A Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Rewulf said: If theres a problem with the destination , they wouldnt let you go surely ? Plus if you book with someone reputable, most are offering to move the date forward for free anyway Are they vaccinating people in Spain? I have no doubt the 20-30 age group will be off abroad as soon as they are allowed, but will they have to isolate on return? Will they have been vaccinated before they go? 7 hours ago, Rewulf said: dont really understand that comment, besides the fact you get treated like a sheep on a plane anyway, are you saying that people who aspire to go on a foreign holiday this summer are stupid ? If you have worked through the last year ect , its not like you are too paranoid about catching it ? Its as if you dont trust this vaccine or something ? I can control the environment I work in, to a large degree anyway, I couldn't do that on a plane, in an airport or in a foreign country, so this year I'll happily holiday here again. No reason not to trust the vaccine, but not everyone will be having it. 7 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Leaving aside for a minute whether lockdowns work, or whether they're worth the cost in terms of human life and the economy (spoiler: they don't and they're not) - think about it this way: That's still a full financial quarter before hospitality will, allegedly, be allowed to open as normal. Go on I'll bite, the minute places open they will be booked up, people have money saved, holidays they haven't used and cabin fever, most places wouldn't have been doing much anyway except for valentine's weekend. 7 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: would urge you to forget pubs, they're not coming back. Not without drastic action at least. Some pubs will likely stay shut, I don't doubt that, but many were struggling before covid came along, how often do you see for sale signs up on that badly placed pub, the supermarkets have effectively killed a lot of pubs, but people want to get out, see their mates and have a beer, what's the best there is another eat out to help out offer on? Have you forgotten about the 21 000 plus people still in hospital suffering from Covid, hopefully as we move toward things being relaxed the nhs will be able to cope and not become even more pressured. 7 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Yes. I was born in a free country, but it seems I'm not going to die in one. Last time I checked our elected officials were telling us what we can do, if Boris had just said right the pubs are open Saturday let's get bladdered we would have been right back in lockdown again come summer, because it's only the vulnerable that have been OFFERED the jab so far, but its being rolled out and is going great, imagine that, the government got something right. 4 hours ago, ferguson_tom said: Cant wait to get back to normal! Not worried about holidays but just being able to see friends and family without worrying will be great. That sums it up perfectly for me, I can wait another couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 The thing is, much is being made of those who don’t want the vaccine, but they will be in the minority. If I’m sat next to someone on the bus, tube, plane, in the pub or wherever, and it pops up in conversation that they haven’t had the jab, then as long as I’ve had it I couldn’t care less. It will be their problem, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 In Britain around 10,000 people die of the flu each year add covid19 and the figure will go up by several thousand, it's something we will have to get used to in future years hopefully yearly vaccines will keep it under control, it's either that or stay hidden behind the sofa for the rest of your life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 My Daughter's in laws went abroad on holiday late last year because they were allowed and thought it was safe. Within days of getting back they were both ill with covid. Very lucky to both get over it. I wont be going anywhere abroard. The wood in Wales is the only destination I will be heading for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 17 hours ago, Mice! said: Are they vaccinating people in Spain? I have no doubt the 20-30 age group will be off abroad as soon as they are allowed, but will they have to isolate on return? Will they have been vaccinated before they go? Yes. Probably. Dont know. Probably not. The fact is, you dont know the answers to these questions anymore than I do, but you are saying anyone thinking of going on holiday abroad is of questionable mental competence ? If, this government deems it safe to travel to country X , then people will travel there, just as if this government deems it safe to open hospitality, then people are going to make use of it. Yet there seems to be this 'moral' section of society who, for whatever reasons, disagree with government decisions, is it their political leanings ? Or is it something else Im missing , do they think they know better ? If they think the 'tories' are making a monumental mistake, then this society has granted you the freedom to do what you feel is the right for yourself. So seal that bunker and wait for the plague to pass, as is your right. 17 hours ago, Mice! said: I can control the environment I work in, to a large degree anyway, I couldn't do that on a plane, in an airport or in a foreign country, so this year I'll happily holiday here again. Really ? So you dont work with other people ? You dont touch surfaces or items/materials that others havent been in contact with? Beside that , you dont shop , or have delivered food that others havent been in contact with? Your family/those you live with, can also answer no to the above ? You are NOT in control of your environment, not in any degree. 17 hours ago, Mice! said: No reason not to trust the vaccine, but not everyone will be having it. Exactly , some people dont want it , some people cant. But surely if you and yours have it, thats not your problem ? If others want to travel abroad or go to the pub/restaurant , who havent been vaccinated ( IF they are able to) then thats up to them ? It wont affect you , because the vaccine YOU took will protect you, hence the question of 'Do you trust the vaccine' If wilful vaccine dodgers catch covid , how does this concern you ? Surely theres a little Darwinism involved ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, loriusgarrulus said: My Daughter's in laws went abroad on holiday late last year because they were allowed and thought it was safe. Within days of getting back they were both ill with covid. Very lucky to both get over it. I wont be going anywhere abroard. The wood in Wales is the only destination I will be heading for. Glad they both got over it but there's a difference this time, if you've been vaccinated (along with the majority of people in the destination and on the flight) then the risk is reduced to an almost insignificant % so not the same risk as going last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 4 hours ago, loriusgarrulus said: My Daughter's in laws went abroad on holiday late last year because they were allowed and thought it was safe. Within days of getting back they were both ill with covid. Very lucky to both get over it. I wont be going anywhere abroard. The wood in Wales is the only destination I will be heading for. It'll be the most relaxing holiday you've ever had 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, mel b3 said: It'll be the most relaxing holiday you've ever had 👍. I don’t think so that Welsh lot are riddled with Covid 💀💀💀 Edited February 25, 2021 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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