AstraZeneca vaccine

[walshie]

There's certainly some cut and paste experts and Google virologists on here. Maybe Chris Witty should read PW to get some pointers. 

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

You’re not missing anything 😆

😂

[SpringDon]

5 hours ago, Vince Green said:

sometimes when you cough?

My granddad used to swear by syrup of figs as a cure for a cough. “Half a bottle of that”, he’d say, “ and you won’t dare cough”.

[Jim Neal]

6 hours ago, SpringDon said:

My granddad used to swear by syrup of figs as a cure for a cough. “Half a bottle of that”, he’d say, “ and you won’t dare cough”.

That cracked me up!! 😅

[serrac]

On 10/04/2021 at 12:22, oscarsdad said:

I have on my ignore list the anti-vax idiot on this thread who keeps posting misinformation and lies - I am now tempted to unignore just to see how he reacts to being called out with his constant stream of nonsense...

I presume you mean me.

Interesting you find the subject matter so emotive you need to block someone who expresses a point of view you disagree with.

If posting a page from your favourite fact-checking website constitutes calling someone out I can only say you are intellectually lazy.

I note that no-one responded to my challenge to point out the errors or logical fallacies on the link I posted concerning the apparent increase in deaths following vaccines.
 

[Rewulf]

44 minutes ago, serrac said:

Interesting you find the subject matter so emotive you need to block someone who expresses a point of view you disagree with.

Its a sign of the (woke) times Im afraid.

[39TDS]

Writing posts to someone you think has you on ignore is also a sign.

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, 39TDS said:

Writing posts to someone you think has you on ignore is also a sign.

He can see it now I quoted him 😏

[JohnfromUK]

I see the EU has lost its (first) case against AZ in their own courts ......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9701073/EU-LOSES-legal-battle-AstraZeneca.html

Edited June 18, 2021 by JohnfromUK

[Rewulf]

And for all those who never thought a covid passport would come to pass.

France now requires a double jabber or quarantine.

In New York , 5 Bruce Springstein dates require a covid vax card , which EXCLUDES the Astra z one , as it isnt passed by the CDC.

[enfieldspares]

A victim of the AZ experiment being conducted to flatter Johnson's ego.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/leicester-mum-three-dies-after-5569837

Edited June 27, 2021 by enfieldspares

[Mungler]

13 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

A victim of the AZ experiment being conducted to flatter Johnson's ego.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/leicester-mum-three-dies-after-5569837

 
My ACME bonker-o-meter has hit 11.

So then, how many vaccine doses are currently out in the field (and providing documented benefit to recipients)?
 

400 million? 500 million?

The government are saying 2 deaths per million arising from complications associated with the vaccine.

Do bear in mind that 500 people die each year in the States (alone) from an adverse reaction to penicillin.

 

[ditchman]

17 minutes ago, Mungler said:

 
My ACME bonker-o-meter has hit 11.

So then, how many vaccine doses are currently out in the field (and providing documented benefit to recipients)?
 

400 million? 500 million?

The government are saying 2 deaths per million arising from complications associated with the vaccine.

Do bear in mind that 500 people die each year in the States (alone) from an adverse reaction to penicillin.

 

i beleive you are using the wrong measuring device...this one belongs to the "knee trembler" John Major...who passed it on to Mr Hancock........you need an "Idiot-ometer"....these are in use daily in the houses of parliament

[serrac]

23 hours ago, Mungler said:

 
My ACME bonker-o-meter has hit 11.

Are you saying this is a hoax or that the doctor who filled in the death certificate is a bonkers anti-vaxxer?

So then, how many vaccine doses are currently out in the field (and providing documented benefit to recipients)?

As for "documented benefit" -  "Lucy Taberer, 47, fell seriously ill after getting the jab and developed blood clots on her brain causing a massive stroke."  She was alive when she took the vaccine and is now dead.  Can you name us one person who is alive today who would be dead if they hadn't taken the vaccine?

The government are saying 2 deaths per million arising from complications associated with the vaccine.

Where do they publish the data to support this claim?

 

 

[Mungler]

32 minutes ago, serrac said:

 

 

I am saying that if fatalities are running at 3 in a Million then that will be chalked up as acceptable, tragic as that may be.

Indeed, of those 1 million people, 1 will get struck by lightening, 1 will die falling off a ladder, a good few will commit suicide, and a shed load will get run over / die in a car crash on the way to work. Etc 

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Mungler

[Gordon R]

Mungler - please try to keep logic out of the debate. Anti-vaxers don't like it. 

Not that we will ever reach 100% vaccinations, but if we ever did, the anti-vax nutters will be able to point out that all deaths followed the vaccine.

[Mungler]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

Mungler - please try to keep logic out of the debate. Anti-vaxers don't like it. 

Not that we will ever reach 100% vaccinations, but if we ever did, the anti-vax nutters will be able to point out that all deaths followed the vaccine.

 
1 in a million is just that, but nonetheless there will always be that 1.

A shed load more people die taking more than 4 paracetamol in 24 hours. 

[Gordon R]

Quote

I note that no-one responded to my challenge to point out the errors or logical fallacies on the link I posted concerning the apparent increase in deaths following vaccines.

I challenge the poster to point out the errors or logical fallacies in your post, Mungler.

[12gauge82]

Anyone have any reliable figures of how many otherwise healthy under 25 year olds die of covid, because for the individuals involved, I'm not sure if the risk from vaccine outweighs the risk of Covid? 

[Rob85]

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Anyone have any reliable figures of how many otherwise healthy under 25 year olds die of covid, because for the individuals involved, I'm not sure if the risk from vaccine outweighs the risk of Covid? 

Do bear in mind survival from covid doesn't always mean going back to a normal life. Even for people with no underlying conditions.

I think it may be some time before figures for all questions are available, purely down to the numbers involved.

[12gauge82]

40 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

Do bear in mind survival from covid doesn't always mean going back to a normal life. Even for people with no underlying conditions.

I think it may be some time before figures for all questions are available, purely down to the numbers involved.

I'm sure, but when comparing it to a very small but none the less unknown risk from a vaccine, if your young with no known health conditions, maybe your best not having a vaccine and hope you don't catch Covid. But without the data it's impossible to know for sure. 

[Mungler]

5 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Anyone have any reliable figures of how many otherwise healthy under 25 year olds die of covid, because for the individuals involved, I'm not sure if the risk from vaccine outweighs the risk of Covid? 

All of my lads 19, 17, 14 have had Covid and the 19 year old has just had it again (today his first day out of quarantine). They all first time around were only picked up because of random testing after the event. None had symptoms apart from being tired. Most recently the eldest (who was at Uni) said he felt tired and had a headache but assumed hangover.

I don’t think they need a vaccine, but it looks like if they want a holiday abroad they may need it (as the eldest has found out for his lads trip to Xante).

Covid is a disease of age and the infirm.

[12gauge82]

31 minutes ago, Mungler said:

All of my lads 19, 17, 14 have had Covid and the 19 year old has just had it again (today his first day out of quarantine). They all first time around were only picked up because of random testing after the event. None had symptoms apart from being tired. Most recently the eldest (who was at Uni) said he felt tired and had a headache but assumed hangover.

I don’t think they need a vaccine, but it looks like if they want a holiday abroad they may need it (as the eldest has found out for his lads trip to Xante).

Covid is a disease of age and the infirm.

That's what I figured which makes me think the young should consider not vaccinating if they're fit and healthy. Doesn't apply to myself, I'm not young. 

[Mungler]

17 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

That's what I figured which makes me think the young should consider not vaccinating if they're fit and healthy. Doesn't apply to myself, I'm not young. 

Ditto

[Scully]

36 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

That's what I figured which makes me think the young should consider not vaccinating if they're fit and healthy. Doesn't apply to myself, I'm not young. 

Daughter is 24 and just had her first. She says she wants to go clubbing again when they reopen, and without having the vaccine she won’t be able to unless she tests each time and can show proof it was negative. 

Son is 21 and has both his booked. They want to have them.