Covid 19 Enquiry

[VicW]

The government have agreed to a public enquiry into the handling of the Covid 19 pandemic. It will not start until spring next year and will last for over a year by which time we all hope things will back to normal.. It will be chaired by some fat cat lawyer who will be paid several 100k pounds for his services. What will this enquiry achieve, everyone in the NHS should have learnt by their mistakes by then, if any and will, hopefully, have taken on board what could have been done better. Are the government looking for someone to blame because if they are they are not the only ones, there is already a group seeking 'justice' over the handling of the Covid crisis, what do they mean by 'justice', compensation?

Vic.

[Mice!]

2 minutes ago, VicW said:

already a group seeking 'justice' over the handling of the Covid crisis, what do they mean by 'justice', compensation

Someone to blame and yes sue for compensation,  there will be lots of finger pointing,  PPE suppliers,  track and trace to name two, it'll be a waste of time and money. 

[udderlyoffroad]

13 minutes ago, Mice! said:

it'll be a waste of time and money. 

Nonsense.  This inquiry is urgently needed.  The point is to establish whether government's response was proportional to the threat it faced. 

Spoiler, it wasn't.

Incidentally, Chris Whitty has been answering media questions as though he was responding to a QC at an inquiry for months now.  Anyone who is surprised that we're having one really hasn't been paying attention.

Also, mods, I might be the most pathetic pedant on here, but can we please correct the thread's title?

Edited May 14, 2021 by udderlyoffroad

[bruno22rf]

Do we really need to spends 1000's of pounds on deciding where to point the finger? WHO,

1/ watched the virus swan it's way across Europe and paid no attention?

2/ Threw away his best card of living on an island by letting the virus enter this Island from practically every doorway.

3/ Allowed his menials to put infected patients into the homes of the most vulnerable members of our society.

4/ Has bungled his way to becoming one of the highest paid mass murderers in history.

 My only hope is that, once this nation finally stops living in fear, the man directly responsible for 120,000+ deaths in this country is held accountable.  

[Scully]

It had to happen; there are inquiries into everything nowadays it would seem. No doubt ‘lessons will be learned’, as they always say, until the next time, when it becomes apparent they in fact weren’t. 
The flood gates for compensation claims will be well and truly thrown open, particularly for those who lost ‘loved ones’ in care homes at the age of 90 odd, with their whole lives in front of them. 
No one seems to ask of them, if they were so loved, what were they doing in a care home? But there you go, where there’s blame there’s a claim, and particularly with the benefit of hindsight and an all too willing brief, we all know how easy it is to apportion blame. 

[SpringDon]

49 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Nonsense.  This inquiry is urgently needed.  The point is to establish whether government's response was proportional to the threat it faced. 

Spoiler, it wasn't.

Incidentally, Chris Whitty has been answering media questions as though he was responding to a QC at an inquiry for months now.  Anyone who is surprised that we're having one really hasn't been paying attention.

Also, mods, I might be the most pathetic pedant on here, but can we please correct the thread's title?

+1 

Enquiry should not be capitalised. What do they teach in schools nowadays?

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

Do we really need to spends 1000's of pounds on deciding where to point the finger? WHO,

1/ watched the virus swan it's way across Europe and paid no attention?

2/ Threw away his best card of living on an island by letting the virus enter this Island from practically every doorway.

3/ Allowed his menials to put infected patients into the homes of the most vulnerable members of our society.

4/ Has bungled his way to becoming one of the highest paid mass murderers in history.

 My only hope is that, once this nation finally stops living in fear, the man directly responsible for 120,000+ deaths in this country is held accountable.  

😂 Really? By the same logic aren’t all those pandemic deniers, non-compliers, anti-Vaxers etc etc just as responsible? Good luck with that. 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, bruno22rf said:

Do we really need to spends 1000's of pounds on deciding where to point the finger? WHO, It will be many millions , and will reach no definitive conclusion.

1/ watched the virus swan it's way across Europe and paid no attention? Its probably a bit more complicated than that ! What would you have done , locked down the country at the the first few cases in Italy ?

2/ Threw away his best card of living on an island by letting the virus enter this Island from practically every doorway. Partially agree, the doors werent shut , and still really arent.

3/ Allowed his menials to put infected patients into the homes of the most vulnerable members of our society.  I wasnt aware the government were in control of who goes into private nursing homes ?

4/ Has bungled his way to becoming one of the highest paid mass murderers in history. Seriously ?

 My only hope is that, once this nation finally stops living in fear, the man directly responsible for 120,000+ deaths in this country is held accountable.  

So its all on Boris huh ?

[ditchman]

13 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

Do we really need to spends 1000's of pounds on deciding where to point the finger? WHO,

1/ watched the virus swan it's way across Europe and paid no attention?

2/ Threw away his best card of living on an island by letting the virus enter this Island from practically every doorway.

3/ Allowed his menials to put infected patients into the homes of the most vulnerable members of our society.

4/ Has bungled his way to becoming one of the highest paid mass murderers in history.

 My only hope is that, once this nation finally stops living in fear, the man directly responsible for 120,000+ deaths in this country is held accountable.  

i believe that WHO has already held and released the results of its own inquiry and bezarrely it has pointed the finger amongst other factors at itself

how cool is that eh ????

[JDog]

31 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

Do we really need to spends 1000's of pounds on deciding where to point the finger? WHO,

1/ watched the virus swan it's way across Europe and paid no attention?

2/ Threw away his best card of living on an island by letting the virus enter this Island from practically every doorway.

3/ Allowed his menials to put infected patients into the homes of the most vulnerable members of our society.

4/ Has bungled his way to becoming one of the highest paid mass murderers in history.

 My only hope is that, once this nation finally stops living in fear, the man directly responsible for 120,000+ deaths in this country is held accountable.  

Go on, give us a clue.

[Walker570]

Utter waste of OUR money.

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Nonsense.  This inquiry is urgently needed.  The point is to establish whether government's response was proportional to the threat it faced. 

Spoiler, it wasn't.

Incidentally, Chris Whitty has been answering media questions as though he was responding to a QC at an inquiry for months now.  Anyone who is surprised that we're having one really hasn't been paying attention.

Also, mods, I might be the most pathetic pedant on here, but can we please correct the thread's title?

Proportional response,  they'll just say it could have been far worse.

I haven't watched a brief for months now, I see no point, the media all ask the same questions,  I meant to watch this evening's to see what's being said about the indian variant but got way laid. 

Easier pop on line later and see what's been said.

[Jega]

Not sure if an inquiry is the best way forward . Considering we have never faced anything quite like this particular strain of corona virus and it's devastating effects ,i think a debrief of some kind would be more productive .

Learn from the both the mistakes and successes that have emerged, and use this information to give us a more prepared and coordinated head start if or when we ever suffer anything like this again .

[udderlyoffroad]

4 hours ago, SpringDon said:

Enquiry should not be capitalised. What do they teach in schools nowadays?

Clearly not the difference between "its" and "it's", judging by the posts on this thread.

 

3 hours ago, Mice! said:

Proportional response,  they'll just say it could have been far worse.

Not how a judicial inquiry works.

 

3 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Utter waste of OUR money.

So when the next variant comes along, we can just do exactly the same thing over and over again and you'll be happy about it?

Incidentally, I happen to think that there is absolutely no way you can state that without knowing the terms of reference.

 

1 hour ago, Jega said:

Learn from the both the mistakes and successes that have emerged, and use this information to give us a more prepared and coordinated head start if or when we ever suffer anything like this again .

You've just described an inquiry.

By the way, it's supposed to be inquisitorial, not adversarial.

Part of the point is that the presiding judge has specific legal powers to compel people to give evidence.

Edited May 14, 2021 by udderlyoffroad

[Walker570]

Lots of mineral water will be consumed no doubt.  If I make a mistake or a wrong decision I don't have an enquiry. I know I have made a wrong decision and can put it right.

I am reasonably happy with how the whole deal has been handled so far. I do believe a lot of lies where told regarding deaths from covid and now admissions that 25% of those probably died from other causes.

There is little doubt it brought to the front the fact that our NHS is not fit for purpose.  Far too many pushing paper and not taking temperatures but this could be said for any of our services, the police in particular.

I still say a total waste of public money.

[udderlyoffroad]

6 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

If I make a mistake or a wrong decision I don't have an enquiry  inquiry.

When was the last time any decision you made cost lives or had serious consequences for the economy? 

7 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

I am reasonably happy with how the whole deal has been handled so far.

Good for you.  A lot of people are not.

 

8 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

There is little doubt it brought to the front the fact that our NHS is not fit for purpose.  Far too many pushing paper and not taking temperatures but this could be said for any of our services, the police in particular.

And that makes it ok because? 

We might, just might, be able to have a debate on the NHS following the inquiry, that doesn't immediately get reduced the ridiculous, insulting, childish "NHS good, American healthcare bad" straw-man argument.  I'm not holding out much hope, but I can dream.

 

9 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

I still say a total waste of public money.

I still say it is absolutely necessary if we are to stand any hope of not repeating this cluster again.

 

[Newbie to this]

14 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

I still say a total waste of public money.

And I'm inclined to agree 👍

[udderlyoffroad]

**** and moan about it being a waste of public money all you want, frankly, we're having an inquiry, so get used to it.

The only question will be, whether the terms of reference are broad enough to cover what we need to cover, viz:

Was the government's response proportional to the threat? 

Did the response consider the cost in terms of lives lost to other preventable illnesses and the economy?

 

[clangerman]

what better way for gump and co to show their mates did not get contracts or people were not allowed to profit from the death of others what could go wrong? LOL! 

[Walker570]

4 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

**** and moan about it being a waste of public money all you want, frankly, we're having an inquiry, so get used to it.

The only question will be, whether the terms of reference are broad enough to cover what we need to cover, viz:

Was the government's response proportional to the threat? 

Did the response consider the cost in terms of lives lost to other preventable illnesses and the economy?

 

Yup, as said a waste of time and money. I am pretty certain that those in power are already aware of things they could have done better but let's wait and see if the NHS is re vamped upgraded for a start as it obviouslyu should be and that does not mean increasing the number of paper pushers.   

[Mice!]

4 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Yup, as said a waste of time and money. I am pretty certain that those in power are already aware of things they could have done better but let's wait and see if the NHS is re vamped upgraded for a start as it obviouslyu should be and that does not mean increasing the number of paper pushers.   

That's it, the paper pushers  haven't been the ones on the front line, far too top heavy, bring back the matrons.

Hope the ENQUIRY (😆😆) shows that's what's needed.

[udderlyoffroad]

7 minutes ago, clangerman said:

or people were not allowed to profit from the death of others

I've always wondered what people think when they used this phrase.  Undertakers, coffin makers, embalming chemical suppliers, hearse manufacturers are not charities or cooperatives*, they're in business to make money.

9 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

am pretty certain that those in power are already aware of things they could have done better

Which they will take to their graves unless compelled by an inquiry to share....

Taking your logic to its ridiculous conclusion, what else is a waste of public money?  Air accident investigations?  (The pilots know what went wrong)  Coroner's courts? (the medical staff know what killed him)  Traffic accident investigations? (he hit the tree too fast, that's what killed...obviously).

10 minutes ago, Mice! said:

That's it, the paper pushers  haven't been the ones on the front line, far too top heavy, bring back the matrons.

Hope the ENQUIRY (😆😆) shows that's what's needed.

My you'd make a good politician: Spout clichéd platitudes with no interest in the detail of how actually achieve said goals.

And you take it one step further by positively revelling in your own crapulence.  

 

*Yes, I know co-op funerals.  Would you give them your business, based on the nauseating ads alone?

 

 

[oowee]

7 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Nonsense.  This inquiry is urgently needed.  The point is to establish whether government's response was proportional to the threat it faced. 

Spoiler, it wasn't.

Incidentally, Chris Whitty has been answering media questions as though he was responding to a QC at an inquiry for months now.  Anyone who is surprised that we're having one really hasn't been paying attention.

Also, mods, I might be the most pathetic pedant on here, but can we please correct the thread's title?

^^^^^^ This, this and this again.

At the very least I hope the findings will point out those that were unable to take the bold decisions neccessary to save lives. Thise that were too full of their own ego's to listen to the science. If ever an inquiry was needed it's this one, with over a 100000 deaths. 

[enfieldspares]

7 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

Do we really need to spends 1000's of pounds on deciding where to point the finger? WHO,

1/ watched the virus swan it's way across Europe and paid no attention?

2/ Threw away his best card of living on an island by letting the virus enter this Island from practically every doorway.

3/ Allowed his menials to put infected patients into the homes of the most vulnerable members of our society.

4/ Has bungled his way to becoming one of the highest paid mass murderers in history.

 My only hope is that, once this nation finally stops living in fear, the man directly responsible for 120,000+ deaths in this country is held accountable.  

+1 on every count. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by enfieldspares

[Walker570]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

^^^^^^ This, this and this again.

At the very least I hope the findings will point out those that were unable to take the bold decisions neccessary to save lives. Thise that were too full of their own ego's to listen to the science. If ever an inquiry was needed it's this one, with over a 100000 deaths. 

Less the admitted 25% due to other causes of course and how many more not admitted but just there to frighten the doodah out of everyone.