ShootingEgg Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, johnphilip said: He would not be there to bash the big red button ,you may infact do what many in Russia are wanting to see happens . That's if it hits it's mark, they will have anti everything around him . If some one popped off they'd probably have anti stink system... Edited May 11, 2022 by ShootingEgg The F word of pop off is starred out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Meanwhile this is where we are heading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, the only way is to get rid of Putin, a well aimed bomb on the Kremlin 🤔👍, if nothing is done then I can see the complete destruction of Ukraine , 10s of 1000s dead , millions Ukrainians displaced into other countries, and their younger generation needing so much help with mental health, from shell shock like WW1 , PTSD, and war wounds that will maim mind and body, it still brings a heavy heart when I see the TV reports, Where ever he is he would be somewhere bomb proof and assassination proof. He is almost certainly the richest man in the world. By several times over more than Elon Musk who is second. according to the people who know about these things. The amount of money he and his cronies have embezzled from Russia is eye watering. Yet he lives like a rat in a concrete bunker, behind steel doors. Afraid of everybody. What life is that? He could have used that money to create a lasting legacy in Russia and be regarded as a saint There is a bit of a comparison with the pirates of the Caribbean back in the day. They attacked Spanish galleons loaded with gold, and ended up sailing round with their ships loaded with treasure worth a fortune but no way of spending it. Afraid to put into any of the recognised ports they ended up living a pointless existence but rich beyond their wildest dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: Meanwhile this is where we are heading In actual fact the figure are much lower than that. Way way lower. The global economy is more fragile than a soap bubble. Think in terms of the three meals rule. As big as it and as vast the distances involved, a single strike on New York would eventually, not immediately, shut down the entire banking system in USA. All money goes through New York one way or another electronically People would not be able to buy food . fill up their cars, access their savings . Cities would cease to function, millions would have no where to get money. The internet and phone systems would fold too. This is the reason that so many Americans have been stockpiling guns and ammo. What ever you think of them they have seen the writing on the wall. Edited May 11, 2022 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Quote This is why another study had been conducted in 2018 testing a similar scenario that also concluded that it would take 100 nuclear bombs to end this world. Sounds like rubbish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 35 minutes ago, ordnance said: Sounds like rubbish to me. 3 would render the UK waste land if dropped in right places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: 3 would render the UK waste land if dropped in right places Yet Johnson constantly tries to inflame things for his own ego, he is a real danger to the UK. At it again today. Edited May 11, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: 3 would render the UK waste land if dropped in right places There are different yields of nuclear weapons when they said ( This is why another study had been conducted in 2018 testing a similar scenario that also concluded that it would take 100 nuclear bombs to end this world ) for that to make any sense they would need to say what size they are talking about. Quote model of the W48, a very small tactical nuclear weapon with an explosive yield equivalent to 72 tons of TNT Edited May 11, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: 3 would render the UK waste land if dropped in right places Plus polluted water supplies, no phones, no ATMs, power outs, no foot getting delivered to supermakets. it would all go down like a row of dominoes. According to the perceived wisdom. People would be resorting to cannibalism within a week. The UK society is so fragile it is more than scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Yet Johnson constantly tries to inflame things for his own ego, he is a real danger to the UK. At it again today. I would put the blame where is should be at Russia and Putin, not Boris. 18 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: 3 would render the UK waste land if dropped in right places That would not end the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ordnance said: There are different yields of nuclear weapons when they said ( This is why another study had been conducted in 2018 testing a similar scenario that also concluded that it would take 100 nuclear bombs to end this world ) for that to make any sense they would need to say what size they are talking about. Its the after effects of a bomb and our ability not to survive the consequences that presents the real danger we are so desperately dependant on food to be delivered to our shops every day Edited May 11, 2022 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, ordnance said: I would put the blame where is should be at Russia and Putin, not Boris. The war in Ukraine has been going on since 2014, it's nothing to do with us. Why did we not get invloved when Crimea was invaded? The war is horrific but so is all war and there are many round the world we don't get involved in. His own country is absolutely on it's knees and all he wants to do is show boat on the international stage with huge amounts of Taxpayers money that we don't have whilst letting his own country implode. He is a disgrace. Edited May 11, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: The war in Ukraine has been going on since 2014, it's nothing to do with us. Why did we not get invloved when Crimea was invaded? His own country is absolutely on it's knees and all he wants to do is show boat on the international stage with huge amounts of Taxpayers money that we don't have. The UK and others did get involved in 2014 they helped train and reorganise the Ukraine army. If the UK and others did not get involved and set back and did nothing, do you think Putin would have stopped at Ukraine. The same argument could have being made during WW2 ( Why did we get involved when Poland and France were invaded it was nothing to do with us, it cost the UK huge amounts of Taxpayers money that they didn't have ) Edited May 11, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ordnance said: The UK and others did get involved in 2014 they helped train and reorganise the Ukraine army. If the UK and others did not get involved and set back and did nothing, do you think Putin would have stopped at Ukraine. I am concerned about the UK, NATO is there to prevent Putin's spread. If Russia had invaded or attacked the UK would Ukraine have helped us, would they risk Nuclear Armagedon for us as Johnson does for his people absolutely not. Edited May 11, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: Where ever he is he would be somewhere bomb proof and assassination proof. He is almost certainly the richest man in the world. By several times over more than Elon Musk who is second. according to the people who know about these things. The amount of money he and his cronies have embezzled from Russia is eye watering. Yet he lives like a rat in a concrete bunker, behind steel doors. Afraid of everybody. What life is that? He could have used that money to create a lasting legacy in Russia and be regarded as a saint There is a bit of a comparison with the pirates of the Caribbean back in the day. They attacked Spanish galleons loaded with gold, and ended up sailing round with their ships loaded with treasure worth a fortune but no way of spending it. Afraid to put into any of the recognised ports they ended up living a pointless existence but rich beyond their wildest dreams. Agreed When his billion dollar yacht got seized there were steps he could have taken to move it / put it into safe harbour - he didn’t bother because he knew there would never be a day he could leave his bunker and sail on it. As for dropping a bomb on him / The Kremlin - the response would turn the UK to glass - it’s not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, ordnance said: That would not end the world. It would end a lot of people's world, and just imagine the aftermath. 25 minutes ago, Vince Green said: we are so desperately dependant on food to be delivered to our shops every day We are totally dependent on being able to pop the shops whenever we please, they would be empty within days and then what! The folk we think of as cranks will be stock piling like crazy, while the rest of us hope it doesn't happen. 18 minutes ago, Mungler said: As for dropping a bomb on him / The Kremlin - the response would turn the UK to glass - it’s not an option Which is why we and others haven't tried to smash Putin's army, his threat was enough to make governments sit back and watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: I am concerned about the UK, NATO is there to prevent Putin's spread. If Russia had invaded or attacked the UK would Ukraine have helped us, would they risk Nuclear Armagedon for us as Johnson does for his people absolutely not. As i said i doubt if others did noting Putin would have stopped at Ukraine, that could have meant NATO getting directly involved. Countries and their leaders have being queuing up appease and lick Putin's boots, it hasn't worked. Maybe they are now thinking a line has to be drawn in the sand, and this is that time. PS Putin had no issues or concerns sending assassins to the UK to poison people with chemical weapons, pay back time. Edited May 11, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 quick question.... if we were still a fully paid up member of the EU....would the EU allow us to deliver arms and aid to Ukraine.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, ditchman said: quick question.... if we were still a fully paid up member of the EU....would the EU allow us to deliver arms and aid to Ukraine.....? Presumably they would as other members are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Presumably they would as other members are. what type of pyrotechnicle aid are the EU members delivering...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 3 hours ago, ditchman said: what type of pyrotechnicle aid are the EU members delivering...? Everything they have including stuff they still need (Slovakia planes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, oowee said: Everything they have including stuff they still need (Slovakia planes). just been reported that putin says he will throw his teddy out of the pram if Finland join NATO..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 12, 2022 Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, ditchman said: just been reported that putin says he will throw his teddy out of the pram if Finland join NATO..... Just catching the news now. It looks like Finland and Sweeden want in. Do I read correctly that the UK will back them even now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, oowee said: Just catching the news now. It looks like Finland and Sweeden want in. Do I read correctly that the UK will back them even now? I suspect Boris forming a UK/finland/sweden help request alliance is a shortcut fix to effectively get them in now rather than wait for all the other members to ratify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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