Boris

[scolopax]

Toast?

148 of his own MP’s vote against him

[Weihrauch17]

1 minute ago, scolopax said:

Toast?

148 of his own MP’s vote against him

Yes he should be especially after the 2 bye elections which will destroy the Tories but he is so thick skinned who knows.  The majority  voting for him were bought off with ministerial perks and quangoes etc giving them extra money.  We have never seen democracy.  The man is a disaster for the UK economy.  If he doesn't go Labour will win the next GE absolutely no doubt, the Tory troughers have just voted for their owm demise and it sums them up perfectly.  Only in Politics for personal gain not the good of the country.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Scully]

2 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

The majority  voting for him were bought off with ministerial perks and quangoes etc giving them extra money.  

Irrespective of the outcome, can you provide proof of this?

[ditchman]

regardless of what has been "done"........he is now short of foot soldiers to put" his" bills thro'..........im still racking my brains as to who would be caperble of leading the party

 

can you really imajine the following on the world stage standing outside 10 Downing street as prime minister / 1st lord of the treasury

• Liz Truss
• Gove
• sunak
• patel
• shapps
• rabb
• hunt

maybe sunak if he hadnt soiled himself.......................i wouldnt trust any of them with Brexit.........

[Weihrauch17]

They talked openly on the news this morning of him having a high level of paid for Votes through extra tasks meaning extra pay, Ministerial positions and Quangoes etc.  It has a name but I can't find it right now.  I think the number was 160 or so.

[Scully]

2 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

They talked openly on the news this morning of him having a high level of paid for Votes through extra tasks meaning extra pay, Ministerial positions and Quangoes etc.  It has a name but I can't find it right now.  I think the number was 160 or so.

Ok. So no proof then? 

[Weihrauch17]

They stated clearly on various news chanels this morning he wouldn't lose because of them. Watch the Sky News review tonight it will probably mention it.

[Walker570]

13 minutes ago, ditchman said:

regardless of what has been "done"........he is now short of foot soldiers to put" his" bills thro'..........im still racking my brains as to who would be caperble of leading the party

 

can you really imajine the following on the world stage standing outside 10 Downing street as prime minister / 1st lord of the treasury

• Liz Truss
• Gove
• sunak
• patel
• shapps
• rabb
• hunt

maybe sunak if he hadnt soiled himself.......................i wouldnt trust any of them with Brexit.........

Lord Frost appears to be the only one who could do the job but he is probably tpo honest.

I was hoping we might get lucky and see THAT woman kicked out of No.10.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Walker570

[ditchman]

Im sick and tired of this country being run by Arrogant....feckless....untrained....childish...boistrous.......YOUTHS & YOUTHESSES

[Weihrauch17]

15 minutes ago, Scully said:

Ok. So no proof then? 

It has just been said again on ITV news, most MP's not on his payroll voted against him.  Grace and favour buys votes in our corrupt Govt.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[clangerman]

won’t make a scrap of difference if gump goes or not with voters being bled dry on everything from fuel to food the tories couldn’t win a raffle let lone an election 

[Dave-G]

Unstable times when we really need a steady hand.

As others have said he's brought on himself - and this might undo some parts of his Brexit intent. To be fair though, it took more than one man to have a party and I really hope all the other party peeps have to sling their hooks if he defo has to go so it totally shafts those who sunk his boat.

[Weihrauch17]

5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Unstable times when we really need a steady hand.

As others have said he's brought on himself - and this might undo some parts of his Brexit intent. To be fair though, it took more than one man to have a party and I really hope all the other party peeps have to sling their hooks if he defo has to go so it totally shafts those who sunk his boat.

In the main it is his total inability and his cabinets inabilty to run the country, they are beyond clueless.  He hasn't had any Brexit intent, he just delivered BRINO ask NI and our fishermen and women.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Gordon R]

I see a lot of criticism and I have lost patience with Boris, but don't see many answers. I see that they are incapable of running the country, despite a few successes, but who will run it better?

Please don't suggest Starmer.

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, Gordon R said:

I see a lot of criticism and I have lost patience with Boris, but don't see many answers. I see that they are incapable of running the country, despite a few successes, but who will run it better?

Please don't suggest Starmer.

We are indeed in a terrible place politically, there seems to be not a single person with an ounce of common sense in Parliament.  It shouldn't be that hard.  Don't Tax us and Business to death, scrap the Nett Zero insanity, don't pay Farmers not to grow food, stop mass immigration, use our Brexit freedoms to our advantage on Taxes to encouarage outward investment but Johnson has agreed on parity with the EU!!  Steve Baker would be my choice.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Weihrauch17

[Gordon R]

I see generalities not hard policies. "Stop mass immigration" - easy to say, but how do you suggest it is achieved? "Don't tax us and business to death". What level would you set tax at? I don't mean another platitude - just be very specific. The Government are clueless and probably need some workable solutions and you are the person who is well placed to supply them.

I don't recall Steve Baker speaking out on all these topics. Perhaps I missed it.

[ditchman]

im still trying to work out "levelling up".............its a party of words not deeds....run by good time youths

[holloway]

9 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I see generalities not hard policies. "Stop mass immigration" - easy to say, but how do you suggest it is achieved? "Don't tax us and business to death". What level would you set tax at? I don't mean another platitude - just be very specific. The Government are clueless and probably need some workable solutions and you are the person who is well placed to supply them.

I don't recall Steve Baker speaking out on all these topics. Perhaps I missed it.

As you say no hard policies and no answers ,UK is in a better condition than an awful lot of the rest of the world ,some just can’t see the bigger picture.

[redial]

As a Tory voter. I can't see anyone else in the party leading the party to a GE victory. At the same time I can't see Bojo remaining gaff free for the next two years.

 The alternative doesn't bare thinking about.

Edited June 7, 2022 by redial
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[Gordon R]

Johnson and co did well on Covid - not perfect, but better than other countries in my book. First to stand by Ukraine.

Got us out of the EU, albeit not completely finished.

However, he made a real hash of Partygate and I think he needs to go for the sake of the Tories' next election chances. I agree that he will probably make more damaging gaffes in the build up to the next election.

Tom Tugendhat is a relatively unknown quantity, but he would be my current choice.

[Weihrauch17]

16 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I see generalities not hard policies. "Stop mass immigration" - easy to say, but how do you suggest it is achieved? "Don't tax us and business to death". What level would you set tax at? I don't mean another platitude - just be very specific. The Government are clueless and probably need some workable solutions and you are the person who is well placed to supply them.

I don't recall Steve Baker speaking out on all these topics. Perhaps I missed it.

He handed out over a million legal visas last year in his full control why, forget about the boat people.  This Government wastes a huge amount of Taxpayers money on nothing.  A huge assesment on value for money Government spending is needed.  I am not the PM just a Pleb who can see the very obvious.   This Govt wastes a huge amount of Taxpayers money and I am not paid paid a huge amount of money to sort it.  Do you think this Govt spends Taxpayers money effectively?

9 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Johnson and co did well on Covid - not perfect, but better than other countries in my book. First to stand by Ukraine.

Got us out of the EU, albeit not completely finished.

However, he made a real hash of Partygate and I think he needs to go for the sake of the Tories' next election chances. I agree that he will probably make more damaging gaffes in the build up to the next election.

Tom Tugendhat is a relatively unknown quantity, but he would be my current choice.

Did well on Covid, nearly choked.  Trashed the economy for absolutely nothing.

[Lloyd90]

This whole thing has been such a mess, any he just continues to carry on regardless of anything that happens.

Its genuinely a sad state of affairs when you think there's nothing he can do that would get him sacked, the expectation of him is so low. 

 

I can see the Tories losing the next GE, there will be a significant amount of protest votes.

 

People sitting at home who normally moan about the Government but don't even both to turn up to vote are being hit hard where it hurts, in their pockets, and there's one thing for certain, the current leaders aren't helping them very much at all. 

 

I can see serious turn outs at the polls next GE and votes for anyone but the Tories.

Labour may capatalise on it, simpy on the basis that they are the second biggest party, and therefore the most likely to unseat Johnson's band of merry men. 

[Rim Fire]

Unfortunately they cant touch him for the next 12 months  then its to close to the next general election for change of PM 

he will do what Corbyn done to the Labor government they had a chance to change him and they didn't and people wouldn't vote for them

because he was in charge  the same will happen with the Tories and if the Lib Dems get together with Labor the Tories are out i myself wont for them with him as leader 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Unfortunately they cant touch him for the next 12 months  then its to close to the next general election for change of PM 

he will do what Corbyn done to the Labor government they had a chance to change him and they didn't and people wouldn't vote for them

because he was in charge  the same will happen with the Tories and if the Lib Dems get together with Labor the Tories are out i myself wont for them with him as leader 

What will 13 Lib Dems be able to do with 199 Labour MPs?

[Mungler]

7 hours ago, Gordon R said:

I see a lot of criticism and I have lost patience with Boris, but don't see many answers. I see that they are incapable of running the country, despite a few successes, but who will run it better?

Please don't suggest Starmer.

I have £100 on Tom Tugendhat.

I’d forgive Boris of pretty much anything because unlike the rest of the world leaders he didn’t lock us down over Xmas and when locking us down would have been the easier thing for him to do.

However, I am increasingly concerned at how far off the conservative path that his government is now wandering. I also put stock in what one of the commentators said - this jolly hockey sticks approach to government and parties and MPs watching porn in the Chamber - it wouldn’t have happened under Thatcher because they wouldn’t not have dared.

It’s time for a grown up, but with the passage of time grown ups are now out of fashion - imagine having the best education, being a leader of men and a track record of success and the right person for a job but being denied it because you don’t poll well on TikTok.