Vaccine Effectiveness?

[bruno22rf]

So, after 5 shots of the above I ended up in Hospital with Covid and tested positive for 16 days, does it actually work?

[ditchman]

how come you got 5 shots ...im high risk and have had only 3............................did you get a new toaster on your 5th ?

[Old farrier]

Apparently not 

hope you’re feeling better now 

they could argue that without it you would have been far worse 🤔

wishing you a good and full recovery 

all the best 

Of 

[Mullard83]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

how come you got 5 shots ...im high risk and have had only 3............................did you get a new toaster on your 5th ?

My MIL is high risk & in Norfolk and despite having 4 jabs has also been taken ill with covid. My partner who also had 3 jabs became quite ill from covid & as a household we all got it & self isolated. She was the only one to suffer from it though. I also had a cousin who had covid, was ill then got the jabs & caught it again & felt worse on the second dose. As has been said they may of been worse had they not got the jabs, but I got through it fine without.

[chesterse]

I’ve had 5 jabs as I’m on immune system suppressants. The first four were Pfizer and the fifth one was Moderna and two days after came down with covid. Got over it but left me with a cough for about six weeks.

[RyanMc]

My own experience was 1 day feeling ropey as it hit, 1 day floored, next day tired but fine. Other family were floored with it after 2 does and a booster. Still suffering effects after 2 months where I was out running etc. straight away after a few days rest. Small sample size there but heard similar. No doses for me.

Hope you're feeling better and get a good run back to health. 

[bruno22rf]

15 minutes ago, chesterse said:

I’ve had 5 jabs as I’m on immune system suppressants. The first four were Pfizer and the fifth one was Moderna and two days after came down with covid. Got over it but left me with a cough for about six weeks.

That's about the same as me, cough has gone but terrible breathlessness on any form of exertion, had to stop walking the Dogs ( the most upsetting result of the whole affair) and going up stairs is a pain. I'm immunosuppressed as a double transplant recipient. The covid has caused damage to my heart and now I'm looking at surgery for a valve replacement.

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, bruno22rf said:

does it actually work?

Seems not, I worked almost entirely throughout the 'pandemic', on a packed building site, and didn't (knowingly) catch covid. It wasn't until I was fully vaccinated and boosted (3 shots), that I caught covid.

I will not be having a 4th.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Newbie to this

[samboy]

I've had 3 jabs with no ill effects and haven't had covid but i won't be having any more jabs.

[ordnance]

No one as far as i am aware said the vaccine would prevent people getting Covid, they are saying it can help prevent serious illness. If that's the case and all the data suggests it is, then yes it works in helping prevent serious illness. Having said that people can take it or leave it, their decision. 

[RyanMc]

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

No one as far as i am aware said the vaccine would prevent people getting Covid, they are saying it can help prevent serious illness. If that's the case and all the data suggests it is, then yes it works in helping prevent serious illness. Having said that people can take it or leave it, their decision. 

It was framed that they would prevent infection and all symptoms, but quickly became apparent they didn't, part of the flip flop of information over the last couple of years.

Just the same as when individuals get sick to varying degrees same with the vaccines. Some have no effects others have severe reactions.

Personal choice is the key in my opinion.

My Parents and in-law's have said they wont touch it for a 4th dose...

[islandgun]

2 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

That's about the same as me, cough has gone but terrible breathlessness on any form of exertion, had to stop walking the Dogs ( the most upsetting result of the whole affair) and going up stairs is a pain. I'm immunosuppressed as a double transplant recipient. The covid has caused damage to my heart and now I'm looking at surgery for a valve replacement.

Good luck with the surgery. I also had all the jabs boosters etc, got covid almost two months ago, smell and taste have come back, but yes really breathless, palpitations, thinking there is some bronchial problem.   Doubt i will have more boosters.

[Cosmicblue]

As others have said the vaccinations don't prevent you catching Covid - they do however limit the effect and when protected then it's unlikely to kill you.   

I've had 4x Pfzier jabs (compromised immune system due to Methotrexate).  I still caught it (taking care on an NHS ITU nurse that had it), three months ago - was like a bad cold for three days and then a further couple of weeks of feeling acutely tired.

The challenge is that many people are nudging a year since they had the last jab, its reckoned to be effective for about 6 months and then declines - meanwhile Covid being a mutating virus by nature is now a different kind of hostile invader - having a booster is a no-brainer when offered.

 

[ordnance]

1 hour ago, RyanMc said:

It was framed that they would prevent infection and all symptoms, but quickly became apparent they didn't, part of the flip flop of information over the last couple of years.

Just the same as when individuals get sick to varying degrees same with the vaccines. Some have no effects others have severe reactions.

Personal choice is the key in my opinion.

My Parents and in-law's have said they wont touch it for a 4th dose...

And it is choice, people can take it or leave it. 

3 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

That's about the same as me, cough has gone but terrible breathlessness on any form of exertion, had to stop walking the Dogs ( the most upsetting result of the whole affair) and going up stairs is a pain. I'm immunosuppressed as a double transplant recipient. The covid has caused damage to my heart and now I'm looking at surgery for a valve replacement.

And you will have people on here saying its all over and just a mild cold if you do get it. PS Hope all goes well. 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

As others have said the vaccinations don't prevent you catching Covid - they do however limit the effect and when protected then it's unlikely to kill you.   

AZ and Pfizer vaccines were originally quoted as 95 % 'effective' , what they were effective at is debateable, but they certainly werent 95 % or anything like it for stopping you catching it.
The percentage rate fell rapidly under the hard data of infections, and morphed into 'more effective at keeping you out of hospital'
Queue a report that Pfizer for one fiddled the trial data.

Then last year we got omicron , and while generally milder, the vaccines were even less effective.
The current gen 5 predominant omicron variant is suggested (no hard data available) to be around 20 % effective, again , effective at stopping you from becoming seriously ill, dying ?
Around 150 people a day die from it, and 1000 a day hospitalised, with an estimated 15 % chance of catching it again within 6 months , jabbed or not.

Basically , boosters are a waste of time until a specific vaccine is available, but by then , we are likely to have a newer variant (in time for Christmas)
Vaccine development and testing takes 6 months minimum , the virus outruns development in most cases.
So jab to your hearts content, but it is extremely unlikely to stop you catching covid, and its a lottery with low odds it will have much effect on symptoms.

[oowee]

17 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

AZ and Pfizer vaccines were originally quoted as 95 % 'effective' , what they were effective at is debateable, but they certainly werent 95 % or anything like it for stopping you catching it.
The percentage rate fell rapidly under the hard data of infections, and morphed into 'more effective at keeping you out of hospital'
Queue a report that Pfizer for one fiddled the trial data.

Then last year we got omicron , and while generally milder, the vaccines were even less effective.
The current gen 5 predominant omicron variant is suggested (no hard data available) to be around 20 % effective, again , effective at stopping you from becoming seriously ill, dying ?
Around 150 people a day die from it, and 1000 a day hospitalised, with an estimated 15 % chance of catching it again within 6 months , jabbed or not.

Basically , boosters are a waste of time until a specific vaccine is available, but by then , we are likely to have a newer variant (in time for Christmas)
Vaccine development and testing takes 6 months minimum , the virus outruns development in most cases.
So jab to your hearts content, but it is extremely unlikely to stop you catching covid, and its a lottery with low odds it will have much effect on symptoms.

The efficacy rate is the reduced % chance of catching the virus in a given situation, rather than 95% wont catch it. Over time you would expect more resistant and less lethal strains to emerge thats a good thing as we get used to living with it. 

[ordnance]

29 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

AZ and Pfizer vaccines were originally quoted as 95 % 'effective' , what they were effective at is debateable, but they certainly werent 95 % or anything like it for stopping you catching it.
The percentage rate fell rapidly under the hard data of infections, and morphed into 'more effective at keeping you out of hospital'
Queue a report that Pfizer for one fiddled the trial data.

Then last year we got omicron , and while generally milder, the vaccines were even less effective.
The current gen 5 predominant omicron variant is suggested (no hard data available) to be around 20 % effective, again , effective at stopping you from becoming seriously ill, dying ?
Around 150 people a day die from it, and 1000 a day hospitalised, with an estimated 15 % chance of catching it again within 6 months , jabbed or not.

Basically , boosters are a waste of time until a specific vaccine is available, but by then , we are likely to have a newer variant (in time for Christmas)
Vaccine development and testing takes 6 months minimum , the virus outruns development in most cases.
So jab to your hearts content, but it is extremely unlikely to stop you catching covid, and its a lottery with low odds it will have much effect on symptoms.

Science etc says differently, but what would they know 🤔

[Bobba]

Massive head cold on Mothers Day. Tested positive. Symptoms lessened over the next three days then I felt fine. No recurring problems. Must be one of the lucky ones. I've had 4 jabs.

[ordnance]

7 minutes ago, oowee said:

The efficacy rate is the reduced % chance of catching the virus in a given situation, rather than 95% wont catch it. Over time you would expect more resistant and less lethal strains to emerge thats a good thing as we get used to living with it. 

Who said 95 percent won't get it they have the vaccine?

[oowee]

Just now, ordnance said:

Who said 95 percent won't get it they have the vaccine?

The efficacy of some of the vaccines was rated at 95% which leads some to think that 95% wont catch it after having the jab.

[Rewulf]

8 minutes ago, oowee said:

The efficacy rate is the reduced % chance of catching the virus in a given situation, rather than 95% wont catch it. Over time you would expect more resistant and less lethal strains to emerge thats a good thing as we get used to living with it. 

That maybe so , but attempts to artificially combat different strains may produced a strain both resistant AND more lethal, evolution can throw up all kinds of wild cards.

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

Science etc says differently, but what would they know 🤔

Says different to what ? Dont be lazy , be specific 😆
Or are you just going to disagree with everything I say ?

 

2 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Who said 95 percent won't get it they have the vaccine?

The vaccine manufacturers , when they were doing the dodgy trialling .

[oowee]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

That maybe so , but attempts to artificially combat different strains may produced a strain both resistant AND more lethal, evolution can throw up all kinds of wild cards.

 

Yep it's the last thing we need. If the virus has an interest then it's best interest must be keeping the host alive and mobile. At least I hope it is. 🙂 

[ordnance]

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That maybe so , but attempts to artificially combat different strains may produced a strain both resistant AND more lethal, evolution can throw up all kinds of wild cards.

Is that your view / opinion or have you evidence ?  

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Says different to what ? Dont be lazy , be specific 😆
Or are you just going to disagree with everything I say ?

Not everything just when you post things as factual with no evidence to back it up, then again that's most of your posts. 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by ordnance

[Jim Neal]

8 hours ago, oowee said:

Over time you would expect more resistant and less lethal strains to emerge

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder?t=1661206835677

"There's this story that we're going to have variants that are progressively less severe," says Dr. Roby Bhattacharyya, who's an infectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School.

But that's completely untrue...."

 

The article is a little long in the tooth by now but as far as I'm aware is still current in terms of what the experts are saying.

[Newbie to this]

Quite simply there are too many of us on this planet, and Mother Nature is trying to sort it out. Things like this will keep happening until we address overpopulation.

And unfortunately it is the old and weak who will pay the ultimate price.