TOPGUN749 Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Sunak didn’t bother with a seatbelt and got a fixed penalty of £100, he is so wealthy that he could ignore seatbelt laws on every journey if he wanted to.£100 to him is like a penny to people like us.If a £100 fine to a typical worker equals 10 hours take home income,should there not be a fines system based on wealth/ income? Shouldn’t law breaking hit us all in a meaningful way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) NO it's called a fixed penalty Edited January 21, 2023 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: NO it's called a fixed penalty Yes it is! It shouldn’t be though as it’s meaningless to the wealthy,it should be variable according to income,then the loss is felt equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 so where do you start and finnish and in-between £1 to how many Thousands to how many million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Both have a point, but after all it is a fixed - and non endorsable - penalty. As with other similar examples, repeated 'offences' at a level which reflect a contempt of the law should be penalised. Initially, not by increasing the financial award but by something appropriate and similar to the driving awareness course which should attract an appropriate fee and increasing in severity for those who don't get the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rim Fire said: so where do you start and finnish and in-between £1 to how many Thousands to how many million Something like a percentage of income/savings& property ownership,earn £20,000 a year pay £50, Earn £100,000 a year pay £250,Earn £250,000 and have wealth of 1 million pay £10,000.Even if the prime minister had to pay a million pound penalty it wouldn’t hurt him as much as the worker on £20,000 paying £100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Hello, did I read it the 2nd penalty notice on speeding, any points on licence ? Oh then I remember him filling up a motor owned by someone else, it's time the Tories were given the boot, 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 to be honest i didnt know it was illegal to ride in the back of someones car without a seat belt on............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, ditchman said: to be honest i didnt know it was illegal to ride in the back of someones car without a seat belt on............ Neither did I kids yes but adults well anyway they will be dishing out some tickets shortly when the pope visits or the kings coronation not to mention all security guards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Someone who has never worked pays peanuts, whereas someone who has grafted their way to the top, by hard work etc gets penalised more, despite contributing more to the economy. How does that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ditchman said: to be honest i didnt know it was illegal to ride in the back of someones car without a seat belt on............ I believe if he'd been sat in the front the driver would have been in trouble and the same if the person sat in the back is under 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 6 hours ago, ditchman said: to be honest i didnt know it was illegal to ride in the back of someones car without a seat belt on............ 6 hours ago, Old farrier said: Neither did I kids yes but adults well anyway they will be dishing out some tickets shortly when the pope visits or the kings coronation not to mention all security guards I think it as simple as this, aged under 14, the driver is responsible. 14 and over the individual is responsible for their own foolishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I think it as simple as this, aged under 14, the driver is responsible. 14 and over the individual is responsible for their own foolishness. I shall tell my driver to be aware of this 🤪 and get some really dark tinted windows 🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Old farrier said: I shall tell my driver to be aware of this 🤪 and get some really dark tinted windows 🤭 Yes, tell him to stop picking up youngsters and if he must to make sure they wear their seat belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes, tell him to stop picking up youngsters and if he must to make sure they wear their seat belts. It’s the party that they have in the Strech limousine that is going to take some sorting out they’re going to hate there proms outfit getting crumpled 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I think it as simple as this, aged under 14, the driver is responsible. 14 and over the individual is responsible for their own foolishness. Unless someone is in the front as its assumed the driver should notice the person is not wearing their seat belt and as the operator of the car is also culpable. If my memory serves me anyway 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Gordon R said: Someone who has never worked pays peanuts, whereas someone who has grafted their way to the top, by hard work etc gets penalised more, despite contributing more to the economy. How does that work? /\ This - and also how doe you judge someone is 'wealthy'? Single parent, not working and on benefits - presumably not wealthy, standard fine. Pensioner, state pension (around £10K) - presumably not wealthy, standard fine. Average 'worker' - about £30K (apparently) with 2 kids wife not working and mortgage - wealthy? Higher fine? Average worker (£30K), no kids, lives with parents - wealthy? Higher fine? Higher worker (e.g. £60K) + wife working (£30K) - wealthy? Higher fine? Professional - (£100K) with wife working (£30K) - big mortgage and 3 kids - wealthy? Higher fine? Professional - (£100K) with wife working (£30K) - kids independant and mortgage paid off - wealthy? Higher fine? Farmer/owns family farm, income £30K, but owns £1M business in the farm) - wealthy? Higher fine? Small business owner, self employed, has good years and bad years, £20K to 60K - wealthy? Higher fine? Business owner, £100K salary and owns £10M business and £1M house - wealthy I assume. The above illustrates the wide diversity and there will be wide differences in who is 'seen to be wealthy'. Clearly 1 and 2 are not wealthy and 10 is wealthy, but the others? Edited January 22, 2023 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 I always thought it was the driver who was responsible and could get a fine for the passengers not wearing a seatbelt. But hey I don't know all the laws and fixed penalties etc. And as for a wealth based penalty. Would you suggest as I own two properties I'm more wealthy? You could say I'm asset rich but my bank account tells me I'm not cash rich right this second... I was just lucky when younger to be able to hold on to a property. Why should I pay more for the offence?! You either wear a belt or you don't, wealth has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 Hello, everything is meaningless to this government , 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) He’ll probably spend more on lunch! 🙂 Edited January 22, 2023 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Scully said: He’ll probably spend more on lunch! 🙂 Not likely, it's all subsidised The fine will probably go in as expenses though. Edited January 22, 2023 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 The law is the law depends who you are not your wealth wether you get away with it but it has to be seen as were all in it together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 Pretty sure in Finland the driving fines are based on your income. And it's funny that people have no idea about wearing a seat in the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Not likely, it's all subsidised The fine will probably go in as expenses though. Yes, in Westminster it’s subsidised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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