derby angler Posted April 10, 2023 Report Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) my mate got his sgc now hes put in for his fac but the doctor put the worng infomation down on the medical forms hes worried that they might revoke his sgc and take his shotguns what can he do hes tryed basc but no reply because the doctor said he had suciedal thoughts which he hasn,t Edited April 10, 2023 by derby angler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 10, 2023 Report Share Posted April 10, 2023 i would ask the doctor to phone the police and get it sorted out quick, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted April 10, 2023 Report Share Posted April 10, 2023 Agreed. If the GP has genuinely written a harmful remark in error, then offer him/her the chance to withdraw and correct - double sharp quick! If he/she refuses you would have grounds to sue if (IF!) your case is per description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted April 10, 2023 Report Share Posted April 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, derby angler said: my mate got his sgc now hes put in for his fac but the doctor put the worng infomation down on the medical forms hes worried that they might revoke his sgc and take his shotguns what can he do hes tryed basc but no reply because the doctor said he had suciedal thoughts which he hasn,t Ask Conor on here from BASC for a contact within BASC He is a good guy @Conor O'Gorman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted April 10, 2023 Report Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, derby angler said: my mate got his sgc now hes put in for his fac but the doctor put the worng infomation down on the medical forms hes worried that they might revoke his sgc and take his shotguns what can he do hes tryed basc but no reply because the doctor said he had suciedal thoughts which he hasn,t just to confirm, the Dr has stated that he was at risk of suicide but the person has never visited the Dr for this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derby angler Posted April 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 10 hours ago, quentyn said: just to confirm, the Dr has stated that he was at risk of suicide but the person has never visited the Dr for this ? no he hasnt seen the doctors for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derby angler Posted April 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 12 hours ago, derby angler said: my mate got his sgc now hes put in for his fac but the doctor put the worng infomation down on the medical forms hes worried that they might revoke his sgc and take his shotguns what can he do hes tryed basc but no reply because the doctor said he had suciedal thoughts which he hasn,t my mate just rang the doctors it was done by someone in admin it was then signed by the doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dessyb Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 its just getting better😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 assuming that the OP has been told the truth by his friend then this would be really concerning for the medical practise and the police. Those forms have to be correct hence you pay for them... The GP practise should be falling over themselves to put this right as i believe that in accuracies on the form are a criminal offense ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 If the poor bloke wasn’t suicidal when the forms were signed, he very likely will be by the time he sorts this lot out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 hours ago, derby angler said: my mate just rang the doctors it was done by someone in admin it was then signed by the doctor A claim that a patient has expressed suicidal thoughts could be very damaging, and not just in relation to ownership of firearms. An official record suggesting mental instability might seriously affect somebody’s life, making it difficult to get a new job, obtain life insurance, take up voluntary work involving young people, etc, etc. Presumably the medical practice will have been asked to provide a full written explanation of what has happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 It isn't outside the realms of possibility that someone presented with symptoms that appeared to be suicidal, but it wasn't shared with the patient for fear of it causing them to topple. Regardless I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a polite door knock to review his SGC and hold his guns for safe keeping, maybe it may be pertinent for friends of this friend of yours to store his guns on their licences til this blows over and is resolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 On 10/04/2023 at 21:01, derby angler said: my mate got his sgc now hes put in for his fac but the doctor put the worng infomation down on the medical forms hes worried that they might revoke his sgc and take his shotguns what can he do hes tryed basc but no reply because the doctor said he had suciedal thoughts which he hasn,t I presume he sent in a doctors pro forma for his SGC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 I thought you had to get the doctor to fill in a pro-forma that you sent in with your application. At least my force asked me to do that. I could read everything the doctor wrote - which was basically nothing except ticking a few boxes and signing it. I find it hard to believe "admin" would write something that wasn't on his record. Sounds like your mate might not be telling you the whole truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, walshie said: I thought you had to get the doctor to fill in a pro-forma that you sent in with your application. At least my force asked me to do that. I could read everything the doctor wrote - which was basically nothing except ticking a few boxes and signing it. I find it hard to believe "admin" would write something that wasn't on his record. Sounds like your mate might not be telling you the whole truth. that's what I did, handed the pro-forma to the receptionist, picked it up and then posted it with all the other paper work, as you say you can see what he has written on the form so how did his mate know he had marked his pro-forma with suicidal thoughts, plus he must have sent one for his SGC, what did that one say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derby angler Posted April 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2023 On 12/04/2023 at 10:35, old'un said: that's what I did, handed the pro-forma to the receptionist, picked it up and then posted it with all the other paper work, as you say you can see what he has written on the form so how did his mate know he had marked his pro-forma with suicidal thoughts, plus he must have sent one for his SGC, what did that one say? that was ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 16, 2023 Report Share Posted April 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, derby angler said: that was ok What!! is it me or am I missing something??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted April 16, 2023 Report Share Posted April 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, derby angler said: that was ok Hi Derby Angler, Has it been sorted out? I’m hoping you mean its OK for your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downforce Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 I was under the impression that you filled in half the form with your details then the GP signed their bit off and returned it to the patient (not the police). Is that not what happened? Obviously I'd want to check what someone has put for accuracy before sending it off (there's always going to be an element of human error in any process that involves humans!). D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 7 hours ago, Downforce said: I was under the impression that you filled in half the form with your details then the GP signed their bit off and returned it to the patient (not the police). Is that not what happened? Obviously I'd want to check what someone has put for accuracy before sending it off (there's always going to be an element of human error in any process that involves humans!). D I believe the new process (after my renewal), the police are asking for the doctor to send the form direct to the firearms team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 when i did mine renewal last july.i picked the forms up from the doctors and sent them all in together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I believe the new process (after my renewal), the police are asking for the doctor to send the form direct to the firearms team. That is certainly the process that Police Scotland followed when I renewed SGC last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, mossy835 said: when i did mine renewal last july.i picked the forms up from the doctors and sent them all in together. Same, This is from the Kent Proforma telling to doctor how to respond. Quote How to respond Your response should be sent to the local police firearms licensing department by secured NHS email, or sent by post. Alternatively, please contact me so that I can collect it. If the response is given to me to supply to the police they may contact you to confirm the details. So seems, both are acceptable. Edited April 19, 2023 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 20, 2023 Report Share Posted April 20, 2023 That is unworkable - you have a right to see what is being written about you. What if (as has happened to the OP's mate) there is a mistake made - they do it for Steven Jones, and you are Stephen Jones....What if the person filling it in does it with malfeasance because they have beliefs that are at odds with what is being applied for. Believe me, once it is in the hands of the police it will be very hard to get it corrected/removed. The process should be that you get an appointment with the doctor completing it, they explain what the are supplying and the basis of it. It would then be up to the applicant to decide to go ahead or not - or to rectify any misinformation that may be written down - or any interpretation of it I would be demanding a meeting with the practice manager immediately (in person, in the practice - refusing to move until you see them - take a book) @derby angler how did your friend get to see what was written about him if it was sent directly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 22, 2023 Report Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) This is going round in circles!!! IF, the doctors report is incorrect, then the doctor should apologise and correct it promptly. IF not, someone's friend may not be telling the whole story! On 10/04/2023 at 22:27, quentyn said: just to confirm, the Dr has stated that he was at risk of suicide but the person has never visited the Dr for this ? no he hasnt seen the doctors for it You don't have to visit a Doctor for this, he can make that call and enter notes in your file if he so deems at any consultation!!!!! Edited April 22, 2023 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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