Red696 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Had my first clay lesson yesterday and one of the first recommendations from the instructor was to look at disabling the auto safety on my gun. Does anyone have knowledge of how to do this on a Laurona? I have to admit to hating auto safety’s on my air guns and it is something I disable on purchase as a personal preference. I’m hoping this does not descend into a for and against thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 For and against thread. I will start it off , and will not be popular with the clay shooting brigade. Sorry, but in my opinion all shotguns without auto-safeties should be melted down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, London Best said: For and against thread. I will start it off , and will not be popular with the clay shooting brigade. Sorry, but in my opinion all shotguns without auto-safeties should be melted down. would much rather have advice on my question, but it is an open forum I suppose… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 I'll second your proposal LB if you can't remember to take the safety off your gun before squeezing the trigger, should you be allowed to own one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Red696 said: would much rather have advice on my question, but it is an open forum I suppose… I don’t honestly know about a Laurona but on most OU’s it is a very simple matter of removing a simple rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, RCB56 said: I'll second your proposal LB if you can't remember to take the safety off your gun before squeezing the trigger, should you be allowed to own one. Thankfully the local FEO thought so, but thanks for the help 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Red696 said: Had my first clay lesson yesterday and one of the first recommendations from the instructor was to look at disabling the auto safety on my gun. Does anyone have knowledge of how to do this on a Laurona? I have to admit to hating auto safety’s on my air guns and it is something I disable on purchase as a personal preference. I’m hoping this does not descend into a for and against thread. Have you tried googling it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Right… now down to business! 😀 Personally I will not shoot with ANYONE who relies on a safety to keep them safe. Anyone who relies on a safety, or even worse, BELIEVES they are safer because they do so, shouldn’t be allowed out of the house! I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard some empty head state…. ‘It’s ok, the safeties on’! 😳 Well if it’s safe, point it at your foot and pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Scully said: Have you tried googling it? I have, there a quite a few vids for other makes showing a wire tripping the safety unfortunately the Laurona appears to be different set up. I agree on your thoughts on safeties and others. Edited October 2, 2023 by Red696 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Try your local gun shop, they should be able to help, as for clay shooting I prefer not to have an auto safety catch, I am sure your instructor taught you the appropriate safety measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Red696 said: Had my first clay lesson yesterday and one of the first recommendations from the instructor was to look at disabling the auto safety on my gun. Does anyone have knowledge of how to do this on a Laurona? I have to admit to hating auto safety’s on my air guns and it is something I disable on purchase as a personal preference. I’m hoping this does not descend into a for and against thread. For clay shooting competitions disabling your auto safety is advisable. The reason being, that if you call for the clay and your safety is on, it counts as a missed bird. This is why most clay bashing guns are non auto safe. As Scully alluded, our guns are really only regarded as truly safe when broken anyway. Re the technicalities of disabling your Laurona auto safe, I’m afraid I can’t help. I would advise however using the skills of a reputable gunsmith - not an expensive job I believe. It would appear that mine and Countryman’s comments came in at about the same time. Great minds think alike…..🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Scully said: Right… now down to business! 😀 Personally I will not shoot with ANYONE who relies on a safety to keep them safe. Anyone who relies on a safety, or even worse, BELIEVES they are safer because they do so, shouldn’t be allowed out of the house! I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard some empty head state…. ‘It’s ok, the safeties on’! 😳 Well if it’s safe, point it at your foot and pull the trigger. The safety only locks the triggers on most cheap shotguns. That is all it does. Prevents the gun from being fired by a pull on the trigger. It does NOT block the fall of the hammer. I have owned side by side, boxlock self-opening ejector, French, guns with non-auto safety catches and in that respect they are no different from the hammer guns that came before. As SCULLY says it is there but not there to be relied on as then negating any need for muzzle awareness and safe handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Laurona 84 Double Trigger Shotgun Schematic | Numrich (gunpartscorp.com) If you use this diagram and take the stock off your gun, you should be able to see what needs disconnecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Scully said: Right… now down to business! 😀 Personally I will not shoot with ANYONE who relies on a safety to keep them safe. Anyone who relies on a safety, or even worse, BELIEVES they are safer because they do so, shouldn’t be allowed out of the house! I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard some empty head state…. ‘It’s ok, the safeties on’! 😳 Well if it’s safe, point it at your foot and pull the trigger. Couldn't agree more. I take the exact opposite view to London Best. When I started shooting an old instructor/ground owner told me the only safe shotgun is one that's broken and empty because the safety only disables the trigger. Having seen game shooters in action at a local village annual clay shoot they clearly have a somewhat different view of what constitutes safe handling and muzzle discipline! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 I don't think it matters one way or the other. If you are safe you are safe, all my shotguns like all my rifles need to have the safety applied by me, it is therefore a habit. All the same. As an aside I knew a professional hunter who had his dangerous game double rifle built without a safety at all, as he said "when I pull the trigger I want it to go off". Mind you his muzzle awareness and discipline were exemplary! David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Westward said: Having seen game shooters in action at a local village annual clay shoot they clearly have a somewhat different view of what constitutes safe handling and muzzle discipline! I have yet to see a clay shooter who actually knows how to even close his gun safely! 8 minutes ago, Kalahari said: As an aside I knew a professional hunter who had his dangerous game double rifle built without a safety at all, as he said "when I pull the trigger I want it to go off". Mind you his muzzle awareness and discipline were exemplary! David. A dangerous game double is the only double gun which should not have an auto safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 I’m a keen clay and game shooter, and I have to say in my experience both are equally bad for not even knowing how to unslip/reslip their gun safely, let alone without sweeping the barrels about through all and sundry at any old height! On a recent straw baler I saw one bloke pick up his slip by poking the barrels of his closed gun through one of its handles! 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Scully said: On a recent straw baler I saw one bloke pick up his slip by poking the barrels of his closed gun through one of its handles! 🤷♂️ Why am I not surprised? There is no wonder that I become more fussy who I shoot with every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: Laurona 84 Double Trigger Shotgun Schematic | Numrich (gunpartscorp.com) If you use this diagram and take the stock off your gun, you should be able to see what needs disconnecting. Thanks for the link. I have had the stock off already and know the part (33 in diagram ) but unlike others I’ve seen with the wire/bar running on the outside this runs through the centre of the action. Not as accessible or easy to see how it connects. appreciate the reply as the diagram is very handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Most guns use a rod between the opening lever and safety. As the lever is operated the safety is pushed back (to safe). To disable the auto safe, remove the rod. Personally I have had all my guns that weren't auto safe (apart from a Darne for which auto safety is difficult - if not impossible?) converted to auto safe. My hammer guns don't have a safety catch, but that is a different issue as they were never originally fitted to hammer guns. It is there for a purpose: not to be used to enable the gun to be pointed anywhere safely, but as a measure to stop the trigger being accidentally pulled. I simply slide the safety forward as I mount the gun. Nothing could be simpler. The reason I have had it added (to two guns) is that sliding the safety forward becomes an instinctive part of the gun mount and I miss it if it isn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 My clay shooting guns only have the safety on when i clean them, the safety then goes OFF, before the gun is put in the cabinet. My game guns have auto safety catches because it is part of my gun mounting to be pushing the safety OFF as the gun is mounted. As Scully says, very few shooters of either clays or game, display correct safety when removing a gun from its slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Many live pigeon guns also have non auto safety catches. Where heavy money is involved the competitors didn't want to lose a bird through having a pull of the triggers not fire the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Many live pigeon guns also have non auto safety catches. Where heavy money is involved the competitors didn't want to lose a bird through having a pull of the triggers not fire the gun. Or NO safety catch at all ! Edited October 2, 2023 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylye Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 If you're shooting clays then it's almost certain you are shooting from a cage with little or no opportunity but to point the gun out of the front to shoot the target. You are not allowed to load the gun until you are in the cage so what is the point of a safety catch ? Shooting game is a totally different issue and some of the scariest things happen which defy description. I have never been injured by a gun at a clay shoot but I have been peppered twice shooting game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 11 hours ago, Red696 said: Had my first clay lesson yesterday and one of the first recommendations from the instructor was to look at disabling the auto safety on my gun. Does anyone have knowledge of how to do this on a Laurona? I have to admit to hating auto safety’s on my air guns and it is something I disable on purchase as a personal preference. I’m hoping this does not descend into a for and against thread. Not sure how you do it on your gun now here’s the thing if you’re only going to shoot clays fine take it off however if you’re going to shoot pigeons vermin and game you may find it’s useful to have either way gun safety and muzzle awareness is the best safety thing as a footnote my game and clay guns both have interceptor sears so possibly a little safer than just having the trigger blocked hopefully you can get it sorted all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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