Farage

[Zoli 12 guage]

3 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Looking at the sea of foreign flags parading in London and apparently other cities too grates with the proper English voters and highlights how we are very clearly being massively outbred. Whilst I think most of the flag carriers are or descend from legal immigrants we can only blame our successive governments for allowing  the UK to become so colonised. There is barely a white kid at our local schools. I'm not being racist about this - it's plain fact that cannot be missed - and is a fair topic for concern in my opinion.

I was queuing and next up at a single supermarket cashpoint the other day, and a person of colour used four different cards to extract money before I raised my voice about him taking the urine. He then moved aside to let others use the machine before going back to extract more as I walked back to the car. I sometimes take parcels for both my neighbours if they are out and have seen differing last names on some of them. Its so easy for immigrants to claim in different names if they have no documents.

Us white English have not been breeding enough to maintain sufficient youth to support us: We have 3 kids while my parents had 8 and the wife's had 9. Do the maths = 17 kids vs 3. This was at a time when father earned enough to do that while mother brought up the kids. Many families cannot afford to do that now and subsequently have less children. Its difficult to know who to blame about that turn around and I can't find the right words to express myself, maybe I'm more autistic than I realised.

The point I'm trying to make is the likes of Tommy Robinson, Lee Anderson and Nigel Farage are speaking up for our countries heritage but are being drowned out by those who don't have our interests at their heart. I feel the 'far right' is more center right than they get credit for.

I hope I don't get banned for writing the above but if that happens I will at least have said that I feel we have to vote in someone who at least wants to turn the UK around.

now't you've said is untrue or as far as that goes,more than likely what a vast majority of this country is thinking 👍

[Dave-G]

59 minutes ago, Westward said:

Farage is just about the only politician who has ever had a proper job and mixed with others in proper jobs. I would estimate that more than half the adult population agree with almost everything he says but didn't vote Ukip and won't vote Reform because they can't win.

You wrote that better than I could.

[Charliedog]

1 hour ago, Westward said:

Farage is just about the only politician who has ever had a proper job and mixed with others in proper jobs. I would estimate that more than half the adult population agree with almost everything he says but didn't vote Ukip and won't vote Reform because they can't win.

Well if true, and half the population voted for him, he would win by a country mile

 

[JohnfromUK]

2 hours ago, welsh1 said:

If we are talking bluster and bluff starmer is where you need to be looking the man has more u turns than a boomerang.

Starmer is 'Leader' of the Labour party.  But the Labour party forms policy in a process in which the leader has little influence.

https://policyforum.labour.org.uk/about/policy-process

But he - and his deputy (who he doesn't choose either) have to lead on the policies determined by the National Policy Forum.

If ever there was a way of making a party (and probably government) disfunctional, this has to be it.

Farage, on the other hand is a sort of 'one man policy generator'.  He seems to do it largely 'on the hoof' and I have never been clear how it could be actually implemented. 

I agree with much of what he says, but he has never said how it could be implemented.  In the (highly unlikely) event he ever was in high office, if he thinks he will be helped by the Civil Service, he's got a big lesson to learn.  They will; not want to do his bidding. 

However, he's a smart operator and he knows that he can largely say what he likes - because he's not going to be the one who has to deliver it.  IF he wins a seat (and past records is not good), it will make for interesting times in the Commons, but as one of 600+ in the chamber, he won't get much chance to speak as I think the Speaker calls people to speak based on representation, not one spokesman for each party.

[12gauge82]

The thing is, the same old saying, a vote for reform is a wasted vote is now completely baseless and the roles have been totally reversed. The Tories are not going to win this election and a vote for them instead of reform is a wasted vote. We have a real opportunity to turn the tide on all the harmful woke nonsense in this country and all we need do is put an X in the reform box. Sure the odds of them winning this time are tiny, but if they get enough of the vote, one of two things will happen, either the Tories will be forced to sit up and listen and actually do something for the majority of this country at the next election, or reform will get in, in future.

[Penelope]

21 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The thing is, the same old saying, a vote for reform is a wasted vote is now completely baseless and the roles have been totally reversed. The Tories are not going to win this election and a vote for them instead of reform is a wasted vote. We have a real opportunity to turn the tide on all the harmful woke nonsense in this country and all we need do is put an X in the reform box. Sure the odds of them winning this time are tiny, but if they get enough of the vote, one of two things will happen, either the Tories will be forced to sit up and listen and actually do something for the majority of this country at the next election, or reform will get in, in future.

In a nutshell.

[Weihrauch17]

52 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The thing is, the same old saying, a vote for reform is a wasted vote is now completely baseless and the roles have been totally reversed. The Tories are not going to win this election and a vote for them instead of reform is a wasted vote. We have a real opportunity to turn the tide on all the harmful woke nonsense in this country and all we need do is put an X in the reform box. Sure the odds of them winning this time are tiny, but if they get enough of the vote, one of two things will happen, either the Tories will be forced to sit up and listen and actually do something for the majority of this country at the next election, or reform will get in, in future.

Totally agree, my household are all voting Reform.

[Yellow Bear]

58 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I agree with much of what he says, but he has never said how it could be implemented.  In the (highly unlikely) event he ever was in high office, if he thinks he will be helped by the Civil Service, he's got a big lesson to learn.  They will; not want to do his bidding. 

This sums up the problem for any party except Lieboor.   B liar filled the upper ranks with his sycophants and made it virtually impossible to remove them, added to which they only promote those that toe the line.

[Grandalf]

I was a member of the Reforendum Party.   Do you remember that?   Our only aim was to win an election - Force a vote on continued membership of the EU - Win that reforendum - Leave the EU - Then hold another election for a government.   It seemed pretty fanciful at the time and none of it came to pass because our main benefactor died.   However, look what happened after that - Farage came along and formed another fanciful party.   I joined that too.   It didn't quite happen the way we hoped it would because that clown Johnson stuck his oar in when he finally made his mind up who was likely to win but, and this is the point, Brexit happened and most of it is thanks to Nigel Farage.   He only went to Bruxelles to close the place down or get us out.   He succeeded on one of those points.   Now he knows he can't win a national election at the moment - but acorns grow into mighty oak trees.   A large vote for Reform, and maybe one or two MP's, would be  a grand way to start.   When Farage speaks people listen and I, for one, am very glad that he has joined the fray.   The main parties will never reform the electoral process of this country although it is about 400 years out of date.   Reform will if it gets a chance.   A vote for Reform is not a wasted vote.   Patience is needed.

[12gauge82]

8 minutes ago, Grandalf said:

I was a member of the Reforendum Party.   Do you remember that?   Our only aim was to win an election - Force a vote on continued membership of the EU - Win that reforendum - Leave the EU - Then hold another election for a government.   It seemed pretty fanciful at the time and none of it came to pass because our main benefactor died.   However, look what happened after that - Farage came along and formed another fanciful party.   I joined that too.   It didn't quite happen the way we hoped it would because that clown Johnson stuck his oar in when he finally made his mind up who was likely to win but, and this is the point, Brexit happened and most of it is thanks to Nigel Farage.   He only went to Bruxelles to close the place down or get us out.   He succeeded on one of those points.   Now he knows he can't win a national election at the moment - but acorns grow into mighty oak trees.   A large vote for Reform, and maybe one or two MP's, would be  a grand way to start.   When Farage speaks people listen and I, for one, am very glad that he has joined the fray.   The main parties will never reform the electoral process of this country although it is about 400 years out of date.   Reform will if it gets a chance.   A vote for Reform is not a wasted vote.   Patience is needed.

Very, very well said 👍

[Gordon R]

I can't think of a single positive thing that Starmer has actually done. He claims to have rid the Labour Party of anti-semitism - pull the other one.

When the CPS was letting Jimmy Savile off, Starmer claims never to have been involved in the decision. It would have been the most sensational story of the last few decades, but no-one sought his advice or authority to proceed / not proceed. I would need to see a polygraph on his arm, before I accepted that.

No time for Diane Abbott, but he has treated her disgracefully.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

I can't think of a single positive thing that Starmer has actually done.

I think we will find plenty of negative things will come for those who;

• enjoy shooting
• are licence (SGC/FAC) holders
• enjoy fieldsports
• own land
• drive 4 x 4 and larger 'SUV' vehicles

As many of use here do.  Don't know what will come, but the above are all seen (wrongly) as 'class' issues by then labour left - as as said above - it's not Starmer (or MPs) who makes Labour policy.  That is a cabal of members, internal party pressure groups, trades unions.  Starmer just 'leads' the party, but doesn't choose the direction.

[Gordon R]

Starmer is weak. Anyone else would have got rid of the awful Rayner, by one means or another.

[claydodger]

Having spent another few hours in hospital today I had the chance to speak to several nursing staff how they felt about the current situation within the NHS, the answer I got was "please don't vote conservative" 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

Starmer is weak. Anyone else would have got rid of the awful Rayner, by one means or another.

He can't.  In the Labour 'process' the leader doesn't choose his own deputy.

[old'un]

Just now, claydodger said:

Having spent another few hours in hospital today I had the chance to speak to several nursing staff how they felt about the current situation within the NHS, the answer I got was "please don't vote conservative" 

Who did they suggest?

[Gordon R]

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He can't.  In the Labour 'process' the leader doesn't choose his own deputy.

Aware of that, but he could have said - either she goes or I go. He chose to keep quiet and accept the liability.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

either she goes or I go. He chose to keep quiet and accept the liability.

Since the left and the unions want him out anyway, if he said that he'd be out before his feet touched the ground!

[clangerman]

before you all rush to give reform your sweeties in the form of votes they have only put fraud farage in charge because he has already taken the entire country for mugs once! 

[claydodger]

10 minutes ago, old'un said:

Who did they suggest?

They didn't and I thought impolite to ask. 

[Yellow Bear]

25 minutes ago, claydodger said:

Having spent another few hours in hospital today I had the chance to speak to several nursing staff how they felt about the current situation within the NHS, the answer I got was "please don't vote conservative" 

SWMBO worked in the NHS for nearly 40 years and her comment was the whole lot is riddled with "cronyism" and is incredibly inefficient and wasteful.   The reason they want lieboor is they throw money at them and don't expect increases in efficiency. 

[JohnfromUK]

31 minutes ago, claydodger said:

Having spent another few hours in hospital today I had the chance to speak to several nursing staff how they felt about the current situation within the NHS, the answer I got was "please don't vote conservative" 

Before I retired, it was an 'office policy' that no politics were to be discussed with or in front of customers, suppliers etc.

Since I retired, I have continued that for anyone who I am with in their (or my) professional capacity.  Occasionally you find someone with very strong views and things can get uncomfortable.

For similar reasons, I never ask the dentist for a discount until I'm well out of the chair and out of reach of his drill etc.  🤣

[bruno22rf]

35 minutes ago, clangerman said:

before you all rush to give reform your sweeties in the form of votes they have only put fraud farage in charge because he has already taken the entire country for mugs once! 

Whereas the Tories have done the same countless times ever since they have been in power 😠.

Edited June 4 by bruno22rf

[mellors]

I doubt we'll see farage canvassing round jaywick 😊

[Zoli 12 guage]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

before you all rush to give reform your sweeties in the form of votes they have only put fraud farage in charge because he has already taken the entire country for mugs once! 

i do hate bad mathematics 👍

he only took 17.5 million of us for mugs according to you😉

38 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

Whereas the Tories have done the same countless times ever since they have been in power 😠.

if they'd have done what they promised they wouldn't be trying to swim in guano now 👍