The 'right' discouraging illegals?

[12gauge82]

35 minutes ago, Wymondley said:

That started well and I don't disagree with some of it, but then you wander off into a racist diatribe.

There are plenty of non white/non ethnically British living here who are also fed up with the continued flow of unchecked immigration.

We want those that have come here and made a contribution to the wealth and culture of this country on side, it's about "our values" and I'll stand with anyone that supports them no matter what their colour.

This 👏👏👏

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Surely if they have no  legal means of ID ,then they should still be classed as illegal .

Any reasonable person would think so but our wonderful Civil Servants and the legal system gives them the benefit of the doubt.  

[steve s×s]

14 hours ago, Doormat said:

I don’t want to get banned so mods please remove if this is inappropriate..

 

Personally I think we are our own worst enemy. The vast bulk of white brits moaning are often the laziest ones..

those too idle to wash their cars, sit there whilst their car is washed by migrants

 

those too idle to cook their own food sit there whilst their food is prepared often by migrants working in back kitchens and then delivered to their door by migrants too

those that want to get drunk on cheap alcohol, often buy bulk from the cheap booze shops again often employing migrants.

we all have the power to make a stance and stop funding them, but that means lazy brits would actually have to get off their bums and do it themselves… they won’t!! And so the rinse repeat cycle continues.

Personally I think all illegals should be outcasts

No benefits, No housing, No NHS, No education 

They should receive and expect exactly nothing, they are after all illegally entering a foreign country without consent.

We have made a rock for our own backs. 
 

I really don’t care what race, nationality or religion they are, you can’t simply turn up in a foreign country illegally and expect to be funded by the tax payer. 
 

It’s a disgrace what’s happened to the UK over the past few decades. 
 

I have no sympathy or empathy whatsoever. 

Wot he said ^^^

[TIGHTCHOKE]

21 hours ago, Doormat said:

I don’t want to get banned so mods please remove if this is inappropriate. Personally I think we are our own worst enemy. The vast bulk of white brits moaning are often the laziest ones..those too idle to wash their cars, sit there whilst their car is washed by migrantsthose too idle to cook their own food sit there whilst their food is prepared often by migrants working in back kitchens and then delivered to their door by migrants toothose that want to get drunk on cheap alcohol, often buy bulk from the cheap booze shops again often employing migrants.we all have the power to make a stance and stop funding them, but that means lazy brits would actually have to get off their bums and do it themselves… they won’t!! And so the rinse repeat cycle continues.Personally I think all illegals should be outcastsNo benefits, No housing, No NHS, No education They should receive and expect exactly nothing, they are after all illegally entering a foreign country without consent.We have made a rock for our own backs. 
I really don’t care what race, nationality or religion they are, you can’t simply turn up in a foreign country illegally and expect to be funded by the tax payer. 
It’s a disgrace what’s happened to the UK over the past few decades. 
I have no sympathy or empathy whatsoever. 

An awful lot of truth in that.   

[henry d]

On 07/08/2024 at 00:05, Dave-G said:

As it happens I'm thinking .gov wants a lot more people to come here because 'we' haven't been breeding enough.

Yes, pretty much. The tories didn't do much appart from the costly Rwanda plan to try to appease their fan base and lab haven't really done much apart from scrap the Rwanda deal. 

So how do we pay for the massive cost of care for the elderly by a shrinking younger population? Stop all migrants (including students) and increase taxes?

[oldypigeonpopper]

23 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Hello, Well looking at the Demonstrations last night there is no chance for UK , Banners with All Immigrants Welcome🤔  Just wait for Labour to put our Taxes up to pay for all the Illegal immigration  costs , 

 

Edited August 8 by oldypigeonpopper

[Penelope]

17 hours ago, Wymondley said:

There are plenty of non white/non ethnically British living here who are also fed up with the continued flow of unchecked immigration.

Indeed. I have English (white, black & mixed race),Vietnamese, Nepalese, Somali, Chinese,Romanian, Polish, Columbian, Senegalese, Pakistani, South African and Indian), in my 'team' (Security, Front of House, Maintenance) who are all decent people who contribute to this country.

[janner]

18 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Surely if they have no  legal means of ID ,then they should still be classed as illegal .

This old chestnut of trying to dehumanise people for one reason or another,

 

A human being cannot be 'illegal',

 vagrancy is against the law, an ex serviceman roughing it on the streets cannot be classed as 'illegal',

 

Edited August 8 by janner

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, henry d said:

So how do we pay for the massive cost of care for the elderly by a shrinking younger population? Stop all migrants (including students) and increase taxes?

Greater productivity.  Working more efficiently.

[Penelope]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Greater productivity.  Working more efficiently.

Encourage the indigenous population to have more children.

A difficult propostion I feel, though, economics and wokery have seen to that.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Penelope said:

Encourage the indigenous population to have more children.

A difficult propostion I feel, though, economics and wokery have seen to that.

I do not believe the population should be increasing.  In fact, I think it should be allowed to reduce somewhat 'naturally'.

Reasons: 

• The world/globe is a fixed size with fixed resources - -there is no current realistic possibility of setting off to populate the rest off space!
• We are using up resources fast - and (maybe) damaging by global warming, depleting rain forest, etc.
• Food and water are prone to shortages in parts of the world
• Everyone wants a better standard of living - meaning better food, more energy usage, more transport and 'mobility'
• There is a limit to what the physical structure of the globe can support; what that limit is depends on what is wanted;
  • If everyone wants a 'western' lifestyle with heating/air conditioning, motor and air transport for everyone, copious western diet, we are already PAST what the globe could support at that standard for the whole global population.  The population would need to reduce considerably to allow that to be stable long term.
  • If we want to have a status as the last few decades where a minority enjoy a western lifestyle and many live a much lesser lifestyle and another minority struggles to survive - that could maybe be managed at a similar population to what we had then (a bit smaller than now).
  • If we are happy to have a much lower lifestyle - much lower energy and food usage, little travel, few luxury goods etc. then the population can expand some more - but still not unlimited

It's a choice of what people globally want.  The '1st world' certainly doesn't want to give up the lifestyle it has.  The '3rd world' wants to catch up.  That would need less people on the planet.  Future generations will have to make the choice.

[johnphilip]

51 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I do not believe the population should be increasing.  In fact, I think it should be allowed to reduce somewhat 'naturally'.

Reasons: 

• The world/globe is a fixed size with fixed resources - -there is no current realistic possibility of setting off to populate the rest off space!
• We are using up resources fast - and (maybe) damaging by global warming, depleting rain forest, etc.
• Food and water are prone to shortages in parts of the world
• Everyone wants a better standard of living - meaning better food, more energy usage, more transport and 'mobility'
• There is a limit to what the physical structure of the globe can support; what that limit is depends on what is wanted;
  • If everyone wants a 'western' lifestyle with heating/air conditioning, motor and air transport for everyone, copious western diet, we are already PAST what the globe could support at that standard for the whole global population.  The population would need to reduce considerably to allow that to be stable long term.
  • If we want to have a status as the last few decades where a minority enjoy a western lifestyle and many live a much lesser lifestyle and another minority struggles to survive - that could maybe be managed at a similar population to what we had then (a bit smaller than now).
  • If we are happy to have a much lower lifestyle - much lower energy and food usage, little travel, few luxury goods etc. then the population can expand some more - but still not unlimited

It's a choice of what people globally want.  The '1st world' certainly doesn't want to give up the lifestyle it has.  The '3rd world' wants to catch up.  That would need less people on the planet.  Future generations will have to make the choice.

Agree 100 %  John , look at nature,  we have a lot to learn from the animals. Birds and insects around. Us  they don't reproduce in leaner times . The last 4 years. The housemartins and swallow  have not nested on my house they. Are here in smaller numbers. But not building on my house at one time I had up to 4 or 5 nests on my house.

No squashed flies on the car  window. Or front grill of the car. Seen 2 butterflies. This year. No ladybirds. It goes on .

1 hour ago, janner said:

This old chestnut of trying to dehumanise people for one reason or another,

 

A human being cannot be 'illegal',

 vagrancy is against the law, an ex serviceman roughing it on the streets cannot be classed as 'illegal',

 

I am talking about people entering a country,  try doing it at an airport with no ID . Try doing it in other countries. Try doing it countries were some of these have come from .

An independent  country  should make its own rules . And apply them .

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, henry d said:

Yes, pretty much. The tories didn't do much appart from the costly Rwanda plan to try to appease their fan base and lab haven't really done much apart from scrap the Rwanda deal. 

So how do we pay for the massive cost of care for the elderly by a shrinking younger population? Stop all migrants (including students) and increase taxes?

NOT with illegal immigration, you use a points style migration scheme selecting those who share our values want to integrate and who will be a net benefit to UK society, while simultaneously setting up a scheme to encourage marriage and having children and programmes to train a high skilled population. 

1 hour ago, janner said:

This old chestnut of trying to dehumanise people for one reason or another,

 

A human being cannot be 'illegal',

 vagrancy is against the law, an ex serviceman roughing it on the streets cannot be classed as 'illegal',

 

Can a person act illegally? 

[Dave-G]

3 hours ago, henry d said:

Yes, pretty much. The tories didn't do much appart from the costly Rwanda plan to try to appease their fan base and lab haven't really done much apart from scrap the Rwanda deal. 

So how do we pay for the massive cost of care for the elderly by a shrinking younger population? Stop all migrants (including students) and increase taxes?

I suggest being more willing to expedite selective legal migration among those who retain their documentation and can have their backgrounds checked and grow the nuts to turn back the boat one's from entering UK waters at the half way point. When the decent sensible people here can be confident the government actively deters illegal entry they would likely settle down knowing their concerns are being addressed rather being blatantly lied to.

In addition get tough on those who won't work by reducing some benefits, and better child benefits entitlement would be cheaper than housing illegal entrants

Edited August 8 by Dave-G

[HantsRob]

On 07/08/2024 at 08:22, Doormat said:

those that want to get drunk on cheap alcohol, often buy bulk from the cheap booze shops again often employing migrants.

Asda and Tesco?

To be fair, I am not aware of any shops that are exclusive to booze or more pop-up style that are cheap when it comes to alcohol, if anything it's used to create them more revenue. Am I missing a certain type of shop?

[12gauge82]

6 minutes ago, HantsRob said:

Asda and Tesco?

To be fair, I am not aware of any shops that are exclusive to booze or more pop-up style that are cheap when it comes to alcohol, if anything it's used to create them more revenue. Am I missing a certain type of shop?

I pondered the same. I'd also question how you identify with any certainty which shops are employing illegal migrants, without doing something really racist like not buying from anywhere that employs someone who looks like they might have a sun tan? 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 hours ago, janner said:

This old chestnut of trying to dehumanise people for one reason or another, A human being cannot be 'illegal',vagrancy is against the law, an ex serviceman roughing it on the streets cannot be classed as 'illegal',

But surely, if they choose to throw away their identification in order to circumvent the laws of the country they are illegally entering, they are very much ILLEGAL.

[Gordon R]

Quote

 

This old chestnut of trying to dehumanise people for one reason or another,

A human being cannot be 'illegal',

 

I'm surprised this nonsense has been repeated. Mungler destroyed this "reasoning". Saying it again doesn't make it true, but merely daft.

[yickdaz]

On 06/08/2024 at 22:20, Westley said:

If there are so many of these hotels now empty, WHERE have all the occupants gone 

Coming to a town near you and me very soon 

[Zoli 12 guage]

1 minute ago, yickdaz said:

Coming to a town near you and me very soon 

just had planning passed for 126 houses (3 and 4 bedroom detached and some social housing) round here so i'm expecting it ☹️

[yickdaz]

Most  of  you will probably know this I only found the other day  that starmer was a lawyer back in 2003 and took labour to court over  human rights and illegal immigrants should receive benefits  he won  20 years later he's PM , no wonder nothing is being done and never will be while he's in charge 

3 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

just had planning passed for 126 houses (3 and 4 bedroom detached and some social housing) round here so i'm expecting it ☹️

Don't want to put a damper on it but read my last post 

[Dave-G]

I wonder how many of these are illegals, not working and on benefit's that working people pay for!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1167857737767522

Edited August 8 by Dave-G

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

Most  of  you will probably know this I only found the other day  that starmer was a lawyer back in 2003 and took labour to court over  human rights and illegal immigrants should receive benefits  he won  20 years later he's PM , no wonder nothing is being done and never will be while he's in charge

It is certainly well known that he was a lawyer with a 'specialism' in human rights - from Wikipedia "Starmer was a member of Doughty Street Chambers from 1990 onwards, primarily working on human rights issues".

He and Rayner were both dropping onto one knee at every opportunity to support Black Lives Matter.  THis from "The Telegraph"

On June 6, 2020, 14 police officers were injured in London after a Black Lives Matter protest turned violent. One female officer suffered a broken collar bone, broken ribs and a collapsed lung after a protester threw a bicycle at her horse, causing it to bolt. The next day, at another Black Lives Matter protest in London, a further eight officers were injured. One was pictured with blood pouring down his face.

Then, two days after that, Sir Keir Starmer chose to publish this photo of himself and Angela Rayner, solemnly taking the knee.

 

[Westley]

13 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

Coming to a town near you and me very soon 

They already have, Southport is a classic example. Some of the old 3 storey houses are now multiple occupation premises. One has a caravan full on the drive too. They used to work on the local farms, now they seem to congregate on the front doorsteps, drinking and smoking.  An obvious input to the local community and economy   !

[yickdaz]

4 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

It is certainly well known that he was a lawyer with a 'specialism' in human rights - from Wikipedia "Starmer was a member of Doughty Street Chambers from 1990 onwards, primarily working on human rights issues".

He and Rayner were both dropping onto one knee at every opportunity to support Black Lives Matter.  THis from "The Telegraph"

On June 6, 2020, 14 police officers were injured in London after a Black Lives Matter protest turned violent. One female officer suffered a broken collar bone, broken ribs and a collapsed lung after a protester threw a bicycle at her horse, causing it to bolt. The next day, at another Black Lives Matter protest in London, a further eight officers were injured. One was pictured with blood pouring down his face.

Then, two days after that, Sir Keir Starmer chose to publish this photo of himself and Angela Rayner, solemnly taking the knee.

 

Well people better get used to it and don't hold their breath waiting for some action to be taken because it ain't happening