ditchman Posted Thursday at 12:49 Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:49 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: That's already happened apparently i was joking ...............are you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted Thursday at 14:35 Report Share Posted Thursday at 14:35 On 26/12/2024 at 07:07, Rim Fire said: So does this mean fishing with lead is also being banned Anything above a number 8 and below 1oz is already banned and has been for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted Thursday at 14:53 Report Share Posted Thursday at 14:53 15 minutes ago, Penelope said: Anything above a number 8 and below 1oz is already banned and has been for a long time. Yes. Which is why I cannot understand that lead shot cannot continue for clay pigeon shooting and that 12 bore lead expanding slug cannot continue to be used for the farmers and crofters permitted right to use a shotgun to shoot deer under the Deer Act and Deer Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted Thursday at 15:36 Report Share Posted Thursday at 15:36 2 hours ago, ditchman said: i was joking ...............are you ? No apparently all the new NATO small arms ammunition is going over to lead free . Strange but true. Two versions of the reason why. One is because most ammo is expended on training and most of that happens on ranges in Europe The other reason that has been suggested is because the Geneva Convention forbids the use of toxic materials on the battlefield. Lead is now considered a toxic material. All I know is that it is ruining our supply of surplus ammo because this lead free stuff is not as accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted Thursday at 16:08 Report Share Posted Thursday at 16:08 31 minutes ago, Vince Green said: No apparently all the new NATO small arms ammunition is going over to lead free . Strange but true. Two versions of the reason why. One is because most ammo is expended on training and most of that happens on ranges in Europe The other reason that has been suggested is because the Geneva Convention forbids the use of toxic materials on the battlefield. Lead is now considered a toxic material. All I know is that it is ruining our supply of surplus ammo because this lead free stuff is not as accurate And absolutely useless at distance. This cannot be true...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted Thursday at 16:40 Report Share Posted Thursday at 16:40 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: No apparently all the new NATO small arms ammunition is going over to lead free . Strange but true. Two versions of the reason why. One is because most ammo is expended on training and most of that happens on ranges in Europe The other reason that has been suggested is because the Geneva Convention forbids the use of toxic materials on the battlefield. Lead is now considered a toxic material. All I know is that it is ruining our supply of surplus ammo because this lead free stuff is not as accurate does this include depleted uranium tank rounds fired from chain guns and gatling guns ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Thursday at 16:43 Report Share Posted Thursday at 16:43 2 minutes ago, ditchman said: does this include depleted uranium tank rounds fired from chain guns and gatling guns ? Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted Thursday at 16:57 Report Share Posted Thursday at 16:57 Just now, ditchman said: does this include depleted uranium tank rounds fired from chain guns and gatling guns ? No that stopped after Gulf War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robden Posted Friday at 05:43 Report Share Posted Friday at 05:43 14 hours ago, Vince Green said: No apparently all the new NATO small arms ammunition is going over to lead free . Strange but true. Two versions of the reason why. One is because most ammo is expended on training and most of that happens on ranges in Europe The other reason that has been suggested is because the Geneva Convention forbids the use of toxic materials on the battlefield. Lead is now considered a toxic material. All I know is that it is ruining our supply of surplus ammo because this lead free stuff is not as accurate So much better to be killed with a Geneva Convention approved round, rather than a toxic round. ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted Friday at 07:55 Author Report Share Posted Friday at 07:55 Are not nuclear weapons toxic on the battlefield? so guess they are all banned…… not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted Friday at 12:06 Report Share Posted Friday at 12:06 20 hours ago, Vince Green said: The other reason that has been suggested is because the Geneva Convention forbids the use of toxic materials on the battlefield. Lead is now considered a toxic material. Its an interesting concept, utterly hypocritical of course, but interesting none the less, that our governments are 'concerned' about polluting the potential battlefield with lead. Does the very definition of warfare not pollute the battlefield for years to come ? Are there teams of environmentalists patrolling and cleaning up warzones from the past ? The destruction and environmental damage caused by ordnance, the destroyed vehicles, buildings, and the potential for unexploded munitions, does this pale into insignificance over the 'toxic' threat of lead bullets ? Whatever next, will we be more concerned over the potential for offence against race and gender equality on the battlefield than the potential for violent death ? In warfare the rules go out the window, so I find it rather pathetic that some talking head thinks a lead free battlefield is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted Friday at 15:10 Report Share Posted Friday at 15:10 23 hours ago, Vince Green said: No apparently all the new NATO small arms ammunition is going over to lead free . Strange but true. Two versions of the reason why. One is because most ammo is expended on training and most of that happens on ranges in Europe The other reason that has been suggested is because the Geneva Convention forbids the use of toxic materials on the battlefield. Lead is now considered a toxic material. All I know is that it is ruining our supply of surplus ammo because this lead free stuff is not as accurate i heard "talk" of it for use on small ranges that see allot of use but on active deployment this just wont happen unless they find an alternative with outstanding performance no this just wont happen they military doesn't like changing stuff especially if it works. A change would require R&D followed by retooling followed by field trials in all nato nations standard issue arms. and given its not exactly a peaceful time at the minute more pressing issues are present depleted uranium, cluster and un exploded ordnance, single use batteries, tones of plastic, gallons of diesel and oil, tritium, prosperous spent and unspent. we leave loads of sh.... thats just war trash is way worse than lead. war itself has also been proven to be pretty bad for your health to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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