hedd-wyn Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) A dog protecting its house I don't see it an accident to happen. Dogs are usually completely different to strangers outside of the house to inside. Sitting on the wall looks like you want to enter the garden. Funny not all dogs are bought up as lap dogs. Funny you should say that, because the wall on that side of the garden is MY property. Even the professional dog walker has been nipped, now if you think that kind of behaviour is acceptable then that's fine. However I do not and neither does the dog walker. Edit : it's a Border Collie by the way Edited June 3, 2014 by hedd-wyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I agree, the destruction of the dog should only happen if all other options have been taken. Without a doubt there needs to be action taken agains the owner and the collie should be re-homed, without proper handling and adequate exercise they can be a real nuisance and tend to be very nippy Collies always been known to bite, Labs are the no.1 biters in the UK, but no one mentions that. Need to hear more about the incident, if it was caught on CCTV, the police have said it's no issue then they think this dog isn't a problem. Obvious being the OP young child he is worried, however was the dog biting or playfully mouthing, especially as no skin was broken and children at that age are more susceptable to brusing and swelling. If the dog had actually aggressively attacked the child then no rehoming or training would change the dog, PTS is only conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Collies are known for being nippy and should never be in a domestic environment every time you go on a farm you are always watching for the collie running in for a quick nip there are known for it prosecute the owner and have the dog relocated How very true. Having kept collies for well over 50 years on the farm, I wouldn't trust one of them with small children. They have no place in an urban domestic environment and the OP must insist that the police act. A polite but strongly worded letter to the station Superintendent, demanding action, would be my first move. The dog needs re-homing or shot. It will do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Funny you should say that, because the wall on that side of the garden is MY property. Even the professional dog walker has been nipped, now if you think that kind of behaviour is acceptable then that's fine. However I do not and neither does the dog walker. How does the dog know it's your wall, has he looked at the deeds? Why is the dog walker gossiping to you rather than speaking to the owner? Doesn't sound too proffessional to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) There are too many members saying the dog must be destroyed... Why? Destroying the animal should be a last resort, not the first thing on the "jobs to do list". finally! a sensible reply. any dog (and i mean any dog) that is not properly looked after has the potential to bite and/or nip. it isnt a problem with the dog, its a problem with a severe lack of obedience and incorrect training. take the dog from the owner and place it with someone who actually has an idea of how to raise, train and handle a collie. problem solved with the amount of "the dog must be destroyed" comments on here, its a wonder there is any dogs left in private ownership... edit: just to add to a couple of other comments, collies can be kept perfectly well in an urban/domestic enviroment as long as they are well exercised and kept mentally stimulated enough to stop their mind from wandering... once again, its down to the owners to ensure that this is correctly undertaken. i have a springer collie cross, who looks like a springer but is the size of a collie and takes more of the collie traits than the springers. i live in a town area and have never had an issue, but then again, he is walked twice, sometimes 3 times a day. plus he has numerous things to keep him occupied and keep his noggin in gear. Edited June 3, 2014 by brett1985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Well a neighbours dog (a young Boarder Collie) got out from their house, ran around like crazy, came onto our driveway and bit my 2 year old daughter. She has 4 teeth marks (2 in each cheek) but not punctured thankfully. Her cheeks were all puffy but that went down fairly quickly after being chilled. Police called and I've done my statement. Owner denied it saying the dog was just having fun rounding up children until the police said they saw it on CCTV. There are loads of kids around and the owner is not responsible and the dog cannot walk to heel or sit or come back when called. The police seem reluctant to prosecute as they say they prefer to see a "community resolution" which may include a fence in her front garden (which is not allowed under a covenant in the house deeds, hers and ours). I obviously don't want to have a more vicious attack on my or anyone else's kids. The owner did not ask how my daughter was or apologise until the police spoke with her. Daughter now having lots of waking up crying in the night and very afraid of dogs. What are my options? difficult one... i'm intrigued... you say 'young' border collie..... how 'young' are we talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 How does the dog know it's your wall, has he looked at the deeds? Why is the dog walker gossiping to you rather than speaking to the owner? Doesn't sound too proffessional to me. That's the whole point, nothing has/is being done about it. I have the right to do whatever I like on my own property without the risk of being nipped am I not? The dog walker has informed my neighbour so have I but it seems to go in through one ear and out of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Collies always been known to bite, Labs are the no.1 biters in the UK, but no one mentions that. Need to hear more about the incident, if it was caught on CCTV, the police have said it's no issue then they think this dog isn't a problem. Obvious being the OP young child he is worried, however was the dog biting or playfully mouthing, especially as no skin was broken and children at that age are more susceptable to brusing and swelling. If the dog had actually aggressively attacked the child then no rehoming or training would change the dog, PTS is only conclusion. Richie, collie's are notorious for being nippy and mouthy and it is a by product of their breeding. Labs will be the no1 biters as there are so many of them, i think a lot of the retrieving breeds are especially mouthy as pups, again it is a by product of their breeding. I think collies are fantastic dogs, but so often they just are not suited to a domestic household as they don't get enough mental or physical stimulation. I think so many people are attracted to them as they are incredibly clever and very trainable, but they just don't appreciate how much they have to put into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 what a shame malk ... i would be boiling ... dont let it lie mate look into your options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 How very true. Having kept collies for well over 50 years on the farm, I wouldn't trust one of them with small children. They have no place in an urban domestic environment and the OP must insist that the police act. A polite but strongly worded letter to the station Superintendent, demanding action, would be my first move. The dog needs re-homing or shot. It will do it again. Exactly, i've no idea why some people think a proper working dog like a collie is suitable as a pet. I've never seen a well behaved one outside of a farm setting and was indeed bit by my Aunties collie when i was 3 (on the face). I hope your daughter recovers and you get the resolution you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 personally I have always been a little wary of border collies after being bit by one years ago that was supposedly "soft as muck" yeah right I later found out I was the third victim . but once again it sounds like a poor owner rather than a vicious dog but unfortunately for your daughter its not that simple [very pleased she was not to badly hurt] so I.M.H.O. I would get the police to press the most punishment onto the owner as possible to teach them how important it is to correctly look after / control their dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 ANY dog attacking ANY child,put down immediately . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 When I was 4 a family farm dog (collie cross) bit me removing my right ear and much of my scalp, the dog was going to be destroyed but another local farmer knew it was a superb working dog so insisted he have it on his farm, months later the dog bit another child in the face doing a lot more life long disfiguring damage than it did to me. Do the right thing, prosecute the owner and get the dog removed or destroyed, the next child may not be as lucky as yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Tongue in cheek I hope, but blimey!!! As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshooter88 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 How old is the dog? Was it playfull mouthing or a bite if its still a young pup sounds like its lacking discipline and needs sorting before it gets bigger but if its not young needs pts simple. How would you feel if you re-homed a dog and heard a kid had been badly bitten its a risk not worth taking imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. There's some funny folk on here, I wonder what makes them tick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 indeed... certainly lacking social skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I hope your daughter's soon feeling better Malc, what a nasty thing to happen. To establish a civil claim I understand that you would have to show the dog was a known biter as it is not classed as a dangerous breed. So unless it has history... It has history now though so I think you might very well want a letter sent to the neighbour setting out that you hold them responsible for the injury to your daughter, seeking proposals for compensation, and that unless the dog is restrained, muzzled in public and properly trained then they will certainly be held responsible for any future attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 New powers introduced (Tuesday 13 May 2014) sees the legislation extended to include all private property. This means that for the first time dog owners will no longer be immune from prosecution if their dog attacks somebody in the home. The maximum sentence for the owner of a dog who kills somebody has been raised from two years to 14 years. If a person is injured from a dog attack the owner faces up to five years imprisonment. Perhaps the officer dealing with the case isn't up to date with the law. Hope your daughter gets well. Only any good if the judge uses his maximum sentencing allowance, god knows what would need to be done to get 14 years ? http://news.sky.com/story/1274468/pensioner-eaten-alive-by-dog-women-jailed There's some funny folk on here, I wonder what makes them tick? a pee take at the my dogs a good dog posters, me thinks KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) What constitutes the word "attack"? Personally, if the dog has not savaged someone then said someone has not been under attack. If that dog, or any for that matter had "attacked" with the sole intent of harm I fear your daughter would be much worse off than a nip on the cheek. Thankfully it seems (as the skin was not broken) as though the dog was in a playful mood and meant no harm. The owner requires a stern telling off and the police must be informed (as you have rightly done so). Those saying the dog must be destroyed...put yourself in the dog owners shoes and read the OP's statement carefully. Now, if that was your collie would you be taking a bullet to its brain? I think not. Edited June 3, 2014 by BRNDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 'a pee take at the my dogs a good dog posters, me thinks'. Yes, but to suggest a member's daughter should be put down is beyond the pale, joke or no. Over and above the realms of humour and deserving of a sincere apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 I see the irony of the post, but it was ill-judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbiter Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As I see it the dog probably did not mean to bite the girl just jumped up and cought her with its teath the simple answer to this problem is if the girl was not there than it would not have hapond so just have the girl put to sleep problem solved. that's a totally terrible thing to say,joking or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkycorksta Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 ANY dog attacking ANY child,put down immediately . +1 But..... This is typical behaviour of the breed and not a sustained attack but a "nip". The owner is at fault here not the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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