ph5172 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Imagine.......Its Wednesday at the end of the sitting ............... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34970516 How would you vote? Edited November 30, 2015 by ph5172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Well if David Cameron is of the belief that the Russians and Americans aren't doing it properly,who am I to argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't believe that air strikes alone will be enough and I don't believe that the UK joining in will make an appreciable difference to what is already happening, however I do believe that it sends out an important message for us to be joining in. There is a lot more that needs to happen beyond air strikes, but I think it is wrong that we are not engaged in Syria now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Totally agree that it's time to join in. Worrying though, as I'm sure that when we do there will be a retaliation within the uk. We now must stand up for queen and country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Air strikes will only be effective if you are 100% certain of your target. Bombing the bejabbers out of empty buildings will not accomplish anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Given that there will never be any kind of mediation ,arbitration or any kind of dialogue with the animals that are I.S. and their readiness to inflict death and terror on anyone including muslims . I really don't see any other option then to wipe them off the face of the earth . While every country and person in the world is a potential target then a world wide coalition should be formed whereby all present differences between nations are put to one side until these evil scum bags are finally destroyed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Given that there will never be any kind of mediation ,arbitration or any kind of dialogue with the animals that are I.S. and their readiness to inflict death and terror on anyone including muslims . I really don't see any other option then to wipe them off the face of the earth . While every country and person in the world is a potential target then a world wide coalition should be formed whereby all present differences between nations are put to one side until these evil scum bags are finally destroyed . Beautifully written. You get my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The West created and armed ISIS and supports them in their proxy war against Assad / Iran, I don't believe for one minute Camerons intented targets are any other than Assads forces. He supports 75 more million Muslins having free movement in Europe, a move which could destroy our country. Cameron is a traitor, don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The West created and armed ISIS and supports them in their proxy war against Assad / Iran, I don't believe for one minute Camerons intented targets are any other than Assads forces. He supports 75 more million Muslins having free movement in Europe, a move which could destroy our country. Cameron is a traitor, don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. please enlighten me and the pigeon watch faithful why you think this,,,, I am curious as I am not well up on this Syria saga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 me thinks i would like to be enlightened too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 i think its a job for john steed and emma peel,,they always came out on top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) The West created and armed ISIS and supports them in their proxy war against Assad / Iran, I don't believe for one minute Camerons intented targets are any other than Assads forces. He supports 75 more million Muslins having free movement in Europe, a move which could destroy our country. Cameron is a traitor, don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. I can hold with not believing anything he says.I think that goes for all who sit in parliament. I do not think air strikes will make any difference as we and others have been bombing this region for some 25 years now and all that it's done is to allow these terrorists to grow and gain more territory. This country will not become a target for them because of this as we are with our open borders policy already a sitting duck.We are in reality at war with these people it is time we acted like it and closed this country to all for the duration Edited November 30, 2015 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The West created and armed ISIS and supports them in their proxy war against Assad / Iran, I don't believe for one minute Camerons intented targets are any other than Assads forces. He supports 75 more million Muslins having free movement in Europe, a move which could destroy our country. Cameron is a traitor, don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. Hate to say it but you're much closer to the truth than some are prepared to believe. If you need to be enlightened then I'm afraid you're already assuming a defensive posture, with respect perhaps you ought to have applied a little more scrutiny to world events than simply consume whatever rubbish our media allows to filter through. There are a dozen countries already actively dropping bombs all over Iraq and Syria, Putin has made huge holes in all manner of Moderates (don't make me laugh), terrorists, Isisians, anti Assad, etc, etc, Turkey has had it's backside handed to it by having it's ilicit oil routes obliterated - what on earth will a few more British bombs achieve ? Did bombs work in Afghanistan, did they work in Iraq ? Bombs feed hatred and breed terror. I don't know the answer but you can't bomb peace into the ME. Follow the money, ask yourself why does the West keep telling us Assad is bad ? What the hell does it have to do with the West ? You're being played like a fiddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) The war against Iraq was supposed to make us safer. The war against Afghanistan was supposed to make us safer. Deposing Gadhaffi was supposed to make us safer. Deposing Assad was supposed to make us safer. Drone strike on Pakistan was supposed to make us safer. Supplying loads of different little terrorist groups (sorry, freedom fighters) to fight proxy wars on our behalf was supposed to make us safer. Don't know about you lot but I don't think we're any safer. Attacks without political solutions will simply recruit further terrorism. The US has however, with our help, achieved its aim of creating a destabilised buffer zone between Russia and Saudi Arabian oil and in the process kept their arms industry in work. Pity we're the ones who're going to suffer the fallout. Edited November 30, 2015 by KFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Totally agree that it's time to join in. Worrying though, as I'm sure that when we do there will be a retaliation within the uk. We now must stand up for queen and country. Shame all the migrants arent standing up for their own country. I feel joining in will make us a bigger target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Saddam was secular, Gaddaffi was secular and Assad is secular....... they all kept the religious fanatics/terrorists in their respective countries under control (admittedly by killing them and any who supported them) and therefore not a threat to anyone else as the fanatics were too busy trying to kill their own leaders and/or just survive. By getting rid of the leaders/governments (because they wouldn't play ball with the US hegemony), we kicked open a huge can of worms......... Bombing Syria will only add to the number of people who hate us and will target us........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I can only think "here we go again" and before we know it there will be mission creep and our troops will be dragged into another war that will be ill planned, have no exit strategy and achieve nothing in the long term,all that will happen is our boys will die yet again. There are enough people bombing the heck out of everything,surely our minor contribution is not needed,I thought we were skint and austerity was the buzz word,tell me again how much does a big bomb or 3 dozen cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 ...you can't bomb peace into the ME. There it is. More diplomacy required, and by Syria's near-neighbours above all else. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) There it is. More diplomacy required, and by Syria's near-neighbours above all else. LS Exactly, you wouldn't entertain a bunch of South Americans, Iran or China coming in trying to resolve wars over here would you ? Google Hillary and others admitting we created factions, we armed them, admittedly they didn't tell us they were going to turn into the likes of Isis but it was a no brainer, arming people with grudges is never ever going to end well and I believe we knew it too but the ultimate aim is ME in chaos making it easier for some very big players to eye up their next move hence why Putin got involved because he could see it. The refugee problems will get even worse unless we help Syria get back to normal by stopping the fighting, if that means Assad stays for a few years so be it. Edited December 1, 2015 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 There it is. More diplomacy required, and by Syria's near-neighbours above all else. LS Maybe we should have a Middle East peace envoy or something. Would that help? You can't bomb peace into somewhere as said and as there are plenty of people with a lot more bombs than we have that are currently trying to do just that, how would it improve anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Hate to say it but you're much closer to the truth than some are prepared to believe. If you need to be enlightened then I'm afraid you're already assuming a defensive posture, with respect perhaps you ought to have applied a little more scrutiny to world events than simply consume whatever rubbish our media allows to filter through. There are a dozen countries already actively dropping bombs all over Iraq and Syria, Putin has made huge holes in all manner of Moderates (don't make me laugh), terrorists, Isisians, anti Assad, etc, etc, Turkey has had it's backside handed to it by having it's ilicit oil routes obliterated - what on earth will a few more British bombs achieve ? Did bombs work in Afghanistan, did they work in Iraq ? Bombs feed hatred and breed terror. I don't know the answer but you can't bomb peace into the ME. Follow the money, ask yourself why does the West keep telling us Assad is bad ? What the hell does it have to do with the West ? You're being played like a fiddle. The war against Iraq was supposed to make us safer. The war against Afghanistan was supposed to make us safer. Deposing Gadhaffi was supposed to make us safer. Deposing Assad was supposed to make us safer. Drone strike on Pakistan was supposed to make us safer. Supplying loads of different little terrorist groups (sorry, freedom fighters) to fight proxy wars on our behalf was supposed to make us safer. Don't know about you lot but I don't think we're any safer. Attacks without political solutions will simply recruit further terrorism. The US has however, with our help, achieved its aim of creating a destabilised buffer zone between Russia and Saudi Arabian oil and in the process kept their arms industry in work. Pity we're the ones who're going to suffer the fallout. Saddam was secular, Gaddaffi was secular and Assad is secular....... they all kept the religious fanatics/terrorists in their respective countries under control (admittedly by killing them and any who supported them) and therefore not a threat to anyone else as the fanatics were too busy trying to kill their own leaders and/or just survive. By getting rid of the leaders/governments (because they wouldn't play ball with the US hegemony), we kicked open a huge can of worms......... Bombing Syria will only add to the number of people who hate us and will target us........... I too feel that further bombing without planning for the hoped outcome will only increase the chances that the UK will be targeted. Time to bring our military back to within our borders and defend them strongly. Since the 2nd WW all the relatively small actions that the UK has been involved in and the bigger conflicts that the USA has undertaken have faild with the exception of the Falklands war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If the proposal was to bomb the oil fields ISIS control to cut off a big part of their funding, I think that would be a sensible tactic. Bombing a town to try to kill their leaders sounds like it's unlikely to work. It makes you wonder if the oil fields are out of bounds as targets for some reason..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I too feel that further bombing without planning for the hoped outcome will only increase the chances that the UK will be targeted. Time to bring our military back to within our borders and defend them strongly. Since the 2nd WW all the relatively small actions that the UK has been involved in and the bigger conflicts that the USA has undertaken have faild with the exception of the Falklands war. I agree with all of the above, although I feel we are going to get hit anyway sooner or later. We are too underfunded militarily and as a populace too risk averse when it comes to casualties for expeditionary warfare nowadays. I fear that what could happen once again though is that the majority of the public will support action until they see the reality of it when British service personnel start getting killed or coming back maimed. The negative public reaction will then cause the politicians to get cold feet, and before we know it our forces will be embroiled in another fight with both hands tied behind their backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) KFC quote Attacks without political solutions will simply recruit further terrorism Hamster quote You cant bomb peace into the M,East You cant bomb peace into anywhere ! Edited December 1, 2015 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgzy-y6piMfKZxgTA4Lbvf8hJk9C3qbOkYXVy1DPsmXS5IJdFl Anyone tell me what is wrong with this picture? Downtown Raqqa, IS HQ ,not a mark on it. Dont tell me its to avoid collateral / civilian damage,they didnt appear too bothered by that when they took 'jihadi johns' car out. So if we bomb,who are we bombing? IS ,Assad,the Kurds? Its been widely know for at least the last year IS has been selling oil,Turkey says its not them buying it,and the tankers that Russia keeps hitting are not bringing oil over the border to them at knock down prices. Despite the images to the contrary and the fact Turkey 'accidently' shot down a Russian ground attack plane that was performing such a mission. I would be surprised if Iraq was buying it ,when most of it is stolen from them in the first place. Assad ? I wouldnt rule it out ,daft as it might sound. The thing is ,someone is buying it,and someone is selling IS weapons. Turkey has blatantly lied and used supposed anti IS operations to hit Kurdish militia fighting IS. Russia ,who make no excuse for their support of Assad ( he is after all a big customer and supporter,giving amongst other things Russias only Med port) hit anti Assad forces included Turkish supported rebels who are also fighting IS. Confused ? So who do we bomb? Just IS,or are we there to hit Assad too? We hit Assad,the Russians might 'accidently ' shoot down a Brit plane with their shiny new S400 missile system just installed. We hit IS ,The Turks might not be happy about their cheap oil supply watering the desert. I say stay well out of the stinking double dealing cess pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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