NorfolkAYA Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 So I was just in Facebook and can across a post about pigeon shooting. A lad asked wether it's legal to shoot on stubble as there is no crop to protect as its been harvested. There was a lot of conflicting view with one bloke adiment it was illegal. Where does everyone stand in this?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Strangely enough I was wondering this very thing today - watching a chap on YouTube pulling pigeons over to his permission from a nearby flightline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 pigeons never stop being classed as vermin its a full time classification so its legal to keep numbers down,imha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 pigeons never stop being classed as vermin its a full time classification so its legal to keep numbers down,imha Wood Pigeon, like all other birds are protected and can only be shot under license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Charlie is right above, u can only shoot them as part of the GL. Usually 3 different licenses that most shooters use, crop protection, conservation or environmental health with different bird species on each list In scotland 1 condition of the GL is u must have read it. So u really should all read it be links on basc/ngo websittes i'd imagine But u can shoot pigeons on a stubble as it is for future crop protection, which is the same principle as roost shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Charlie is right above, u can only shoot them as part of the GL. Usually 3 different licenses that most shooters use, crop protection, conservation or environmental health with different bird species on each list In scotland 1 condition of the GL is u must have read it. So u really should all read it be links on basc/ngo websittes i'd imagine But u can shoot pigeons on a stubble as it is for future crop protection, which is the same principle as roost shooting Exactly. Question answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Exactly. Question answered. Here (in Irl), you can't unless there is a field with crops adjacent to the stubble field. That is assuming that you get caught by a ranger, but if you want to shoot wood pigeon legally under the licence, you need to have crops either in the field your shooting on or adjacent. You guys seem to have a better solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 You may be protecting the crop in the next field or the field around the corner. Why ever said you had to only shoot on the exact spot they are feeding ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Surely they are shot under the presumption your are preventing any future damage to crops, or as Lloyd said, on any crop, not necessarily the one you are shooting over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Surely they are shot under the presumption your are preventing any future damage to crops, or as Lloyd said, on any crop, not necessarily the one you are shooting over Exactly right. You are protecting the crop next to go in or adjacent or later in the season. You don't have to shoot them only when they have food in the mouth. Guilty by location and future intent is sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Exactly right. You are protecting the crop next to go in or adjacent or later in the season. You don't have to shoot them only when they have food in the mouth. Guilty by location and future intent is sufficient.As pigeons can fly by that logic you can shoot them anywhere you find them as you are protecting someone somewheres future crop? The pigeons sitting on my garden fence will doubtless fly to a local field sooner or later and decimate some.crops with their buddies so that line of thinking makes them fair game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 you are protecting next years crop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ox Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 As pigeons can fly by that logic you can shoot them anywhere you find them as you are protecting someone somewheres future crop? The pigeons sitting on my garden fence will doubtless fly to a local field sooner or later and decimate some.crops with their buddies so that line of thinking makes them fair game In what context? If you're insinuating shooting them off your garden fence because they will eventually end up in a field could you answer what crop of YOURS is it you're protecting or have permission to protect? Or how are they a public health or safety issue? Have you excersised all possible prevantative measures? The general licence is there for a reason and believe it or not it isn't a licence to kill what is on it anytime anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 So all those pigeons dropping out of hedgerows as I mooch along have been shot illegally? And all those pigeons which burst out of woods during pheasant drives have been shot illegally also? An awful lot of law breakers out there apparently. Whose crops are protected during roost shoots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 The whole general licence issue needs a rethink....why do we need the control of pest species to fall under the terms of a general licence?............it just serves to make the control of any species more difficult, which is I suppose what the protectionists wanted! Is the general licence EU or UK legislation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 The whole general licence issue needs a rethink....why do we need the control of pest species to fall under the terms of a general licence?............it just serves to make the control of any species more difficult, which is I suppose what the protectionists wanted! Is the general licence EU or UK legislation? You have to remember that ALL birds are protected under the WCA 1981. Every year NE visit the issue of "pest" wild birds and issue a license permitting their control based on the need to control certain species. That's why some years some birds are dropped from the list and others added. There is also EU legislation, the Habitat & Wild Bird Directive, governing the matter but the UK has sought dispensation, hence the GL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 The whole general licence issue needs a rethink....why do we need the control of pest species to fall under the terms of a general licence?............it just serves to make the control of any species more difficult, which is I suppose what the protectionists wanted! Is the general licence EU or UK legislation? The General Licence is a UK response to EU legislation. Quite a good one, as we have a lot more restrictions then you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Has there ever been anybody prosecuted for the illegal killing of Woodpigeon under the terms of the General Licence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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