rec-baller Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Just watched " can't pay,we,ll take it away " The bailiffs went to a guys house who owed £18000 , one of the bailiffs was snooping around and saw a shotgun cartridge belt in the garage , he then looked in the kitchen draw and found a set of safe keys, he looked around the house and found the gun safe , he opened it and found 2 Browning shotguns , I would like to know who is more in the wrong , the house holder or the bailif for opening the safe Shaun Edited September 6, 2017 by rec-baller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 What did the house holder do? You don't have to lock the keys away, just keep them out of the way etc, how many people do yo expect to go rooting through your draws? Guess it depends what draw it was? Did they take the guns? I doubt it but I didn't see the show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I saw it. Both were in the wrong in my opinion. The bloke allowed his keys to be discoverable and the enforcement officer handled guns without a licence and without permission of the licence holder. I expect the bloke had licence revoked for not keeping his guns secured. What did the house holder do? You don't have to lock the keys away, just keep them out of the way etc, how many people do yo expect to go rooting through your draws? Guess it depends what draw it was? Did they take the guns? I doubt it but I didn't see the show You expect a burglar to root through your drawers which is why you do not hide your keys in such an obvious place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I saw it. Both were in the wrong in my opinion. The bloke allowed his keys to be discoverable and the enforcement officer handled guns without a licence and without permission of the licence holder. I expect the bloke had licence revoked for not keeping his guns secured. You expect a burglar to root through your drawers which is why you do not hide your keys in such an obvious place Burglar would tip the entire draw out and grab what looks valuable, not go draw by draw at a leisurely pace. A bunch of keys and cutlery don't look valuable, just in this case the person had hours to go around the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rec-baller Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 They didn't take the guns . They said they would have to get a specialist team in to "handle " the removal of the guns. Even the policecwho turned up didn't know what to do .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I saw it. Both were in the wrong in my opinion. The bloke allowed his keys to be discoverable and the enforcement officer handled guns without a licence and without permission of the licence holder. I expect the bloke had licence revoked for not keeping his guns secured. You expect a burglar to root through your drawers which is why you do not hide your keys in such an obvious place Given how quickly one can force a fairly standard cabinet, if there for the guns are they really going to spend twenty minutes searching for the keys when fifteen minutes will get into the cabinet? Thats said, is there any case history as to what is regarded as 'reasonably' hidden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Given how quickly one can force a fairly standard cabinet, if there for the guns are they really going to spend twenty minutes searching for the keys when fifteen minutes will get into the cabinet? Thats said, is there any case history as to what is regarded as 'reasonably' hidden? Don't know what your security is like but no way on earth would you get my guns out in fifteen minutes, if at all. Reasonably hidden I would expect not to mean in your sock drawer, burglars aren't totally thick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Burglar would tip the entire draw out and grab what looks valuable, not go draw by draw at a leisurely pace. A bunch of keys and cutlery don't look valuable, just in this case the person had hours to go around the house. What if said burglar knew you had guns and was targeting you for that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 What if said burglar knew you had guns and was targeting you for that ? Then they'd either come with the tools to get the cabinet off or cut open, or if your home come equipped to do you damage until you handed them over. Just a few weeks ago I'm sure there was a case being discussed on here, people broke into a mans home, tied him and his wife up and poured boiling water on them until he told them where the keys to the safe were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellbert Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 George Digweed and his wife were held in his own house while they stole his guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 If the bailiffs took them they would surley be guilty of being in possesion of firearms without a licence or even if they do have a licence without the permission of the certificate holder. If the The bailiffs mistakenly or were unaware of the law while working hard doing their job so would get 10 years. If it was a pathetic scrote ransacking the house they would get a severe telling off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just watched " can't pay,we,ll take it away " The bailiffs went to a guys house who owed £18000 , one of the bailiffs was snooping around and saw a shotgun cartridge belt in the garage , he then looked in the kitchen draw and found a set of safe keys, he looked around the house and found the gun safe , he opened it and found 2 Browning shotguns , I would like to know who is more in the wrong , the house holder or the bailif for opening the safe Shaun The bailiff was doing his job!!!! Recovering money owed If he'd payed up they wouldn't be there Bloke should have already sold his guns to pay off some of the money Bailiff could have asked for keys There could well have been valuables in the gun safe Oh And it's Tv they need to sell their programs Just my thoughts All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazb1967 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I keep my safe keys safely locked away and my safe is quite well hidden but realistically If they wanted to be in they would get in fairly quicky with all the modern cordless power tools around today, that is if they were targetting the guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-dot Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Gun cabinets keep a honest thief out but i have yet to meet one of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 bailiff handled two firearms without being supervised, surely that is the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Saw that as well, the police said that as the baliffs were acting on behalf of the high court they could open the cabinet but not remove any guns. Looked like a tidy grade 5 they had out tho, but yeah was surprised they opened it up. He did the right thing and called the police tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I think it is quite reasonable to put the gun safe keys out of sight anywhere in your home. If guns are the main target as said before the thief will have come prepared with power tools to cut into the gun safe etc. Butch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Keys should be hidden/not left lying about in my opinion, but I thought it was quite wrong to show that the chap has guns in his house and to show where he kept them on national TV !! I think the enforcement officers were quite entitled to look around & open the cabinet - they'd been allowed in.. but the poor chap will probably have lost his SGC or have to keep his guns elsewhere in future. This particular job ought never to have been televised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Keys should be hidden/not left lying about in my opinion, but I thought it was quite wrong to show that the chap has guns in his house and to show where he kept them on national TV !! I think the enforcement officers were quite entitled to look around & open the cabinet - they'd been allowed in.. but the poor chap will probably have lost his SGC or have to keep his guns elsewhere in future. This particular job ought never to have been televised. Totally agree re the episode being shown. The bloke had his cabinet keys lying on a table when he opened the door to two men who at that initial time could have been anyone. In my opinion the enforcement officers had no legal right (as far as firearm laws) to open or handle the guns unless an feo was in attendance. You will note that the guns were not opened to check they were safe (not as far as I recall anyway) either. He did the right thing by phoning feo when they accessed his cabinet however he shot himself in the foot considering the negligence of not having cabinet keys properly hidden away. In my opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Keys should be hidden/not left lying about in my opinion, but I thought it was quite wrong to show that the chap has guns in his house and to show where he kept them on national TV !! I think the enforcement officers were quite entitled to look around & open the cabinet - they'd been allowed in.. but the poor chap will probably have lost his SGC or have to keep his guns elsewhere in future. This particular job ought never to have been televised. Totally agree re the episode being shown. The bloke had his cabinet keys lying on a table when he opened the door to two men who at that initial time could have been anyone. In my opinion the enforcement officers had no legal right (as far as firearm laws) to open or handle the guns unless an feo was in attendance. You will note that the guns were not opened to check they were safe (not as far as I recall anyway) either. He did the right thing by phoning feo when they accessed his cabinet however he shot himself in the foot considering the negligence of not having cabinet keys properly hidden away. In my opinion of course. I note your point with regard to the episode showing location of his guns, BUT I don't think he has them anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I too would doubt that tightchoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Totally agree re the episode being shown. The bloke had his cabinet keys lying on a table when he opened the door to two men who at that initial time could have been anyone. In my opinion the enforcement officers had no legal right (as far as firearm laws) to open or handle the guns unless an feo was in attendance. You will note that the guns were not opened to check they were safe (not as far as I recall anyway) either. He did the right thing by phoning feo when they accessed his cabinet however he shot himself in the foot considering the negligence of not having cabinet keys properly hidden away. In my opinion of course. Yes, mine are either in my pocket or safely hidden away. But if a wrong'un is brazen enough to come in whilst I'm home & grab keys off an upstairs (IIRC) table they'd be brazen enough to find a way to force me to unlock the cabinet, I suspect. Hoping it never happens.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I think it is quite reasonable to put the gun safe keys out of sight anywhere in your home. If guns are the main target as said before the thief will have come prepared with power tools to cut into the gun safe etc. Butch + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 High Court enforcement officers ,may well have an exemption that allows them to handle firearms for short periods whilst carrying out their lawful duty ,much like a police officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellbert Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 High Court enforcement officers ,may well have an exemption that allows them to handle firearms for short periods whilst carrying out their lawful duty ,much like a police officer. or Auctioneers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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