Walker570 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Brilliant news this morning. NIGEL IS BACK !!!! Nigel Farage has finally decided to return to front line politics to travel the country explaining to the electorate just what a double dealing bunch we have down in Westminster. Just pipped me to it SE Edited August 18, 2018 by Walker570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 He has been asked to stand as an MP for Peterborough but has declined unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, scutt said: ahh but will there be a perpetual tailback over in France or is it all one way ?? .Got to start thinking in the terms of it takes two to tango not one dictating to the other. Yes but 90% of the lorries that pass through the port of Dover are now not British. The EU has slowly strangled the British international haulage industry by its working practices. Its much harder for a British haulage truck to get one out and one back. The European trucks are on the road for weeks at a time, sometimes months and they will go anywhere. They go from London to Paris, then on to Spain and from there to Germany etc. The drivers live in the cabs. They get the jobs from their laptops, there are websites that literally auction the work, companies with loads they want delivering advertise them on the website and the haulage contractors bid for them on line. So where ever they end up they just search for another job starting from there or nearby. They don't care where its going because when they get to the other end they look again. Its a very efficient way to operate, if you are able to work for peanuts. Next time you are on a long motorway journey start looking at the trucks, a very high percentage will have Eastern European plates these days, that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 The way things are going there'll be no EU left to make a deal with, I honestly beleive they're going to sink like the titanic at some point, the further we are from them when it happens the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: Brilliant news this morning. NIGEL IS BACK !!!! Nigel Farage has finally decided to return to front line politics to travel the country explaining to the electorate just what a double dealing bunch we have down in Westminster. Just pipped me to it SE Great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45229426 And he is back.. Hmmm. The risk here is that we have two parties who could have a reasonable chance of any future general election win and form the next government (possibly in a deal/coalition). Tory and Labour. Neither is particularly good on Brexit - on that I think we are all agreed. However, at present the - Tories are the 'official' government (kept that way by a deal with the DUP). The Tories are therefore the obvious subjects for any 'attack' on policy by Nigel Farage. There is no indication that on Brexit alone Labour would be any better, but since they are not in power, they can sit on the fence, make promises they could never deliver and are consequently more difficult to 'attack' over Brexit. Therefore it is inevitable that any 'attacks' by Nigel Farage are likely to hit the Tories harder than Labour. This has a real risk of handing the keys to No 10 to Jeremy Corbyn - which I think would be at least as bad on Brexit ........ and massively worse on other matters, especially the economy. IF we have a hard Brexit as many want, a highly lean, flexible and competitive economy and industry will be what we need to prosper in the world markets ...... something we can do and MUST do. We would never achieve that under Labour and the Unions. Therefore I view Nigel Farage's 'return' with some concern and caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Well I note your scepticism and would say that in the current climate a new push from Nigel Farage would be most welcome and I don't hink he would actively help Labour in to power as that would go against his very solid principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Hmmm. The risk here is that we have two parties who could have a reasonable chance of any future general election win and form the next government (possibly in a deal/coalition). Tory and Labour. Neither is particularly good on Brexit - on that I think we are all agreed. However, at present the - Tories are the 'official' government (kept that way by a deal with the DUP). The Tories are therefore the obvious subjects for any 'attack' on policy by Nigel Farage. There is no indication that on Brexit alone Labour would be any better, but since they are not in power, they can sit on the fence, make promises they could never deliver and are consequently more difficult to 'attack' over Brexit. Therefore it is inevitable that any 'attacks' by Nigel Farage are likely to hit the Tories harder than Labour. This has a real risk of handing the keys to No 10 to Jeremy Corbyn - which I think would be at least as bad on Brexit ........ and massively worse on other matters, especially the economy. IF we have a hard Brexit as many want, a highly lean, flexible and competitive economy and industry will be what we need to prosper in the world markets ...... something we can do and MUST do. We would never achieve that under Labour and the Unions. Therefore I view Nigel Farage's 'return' with some concern and caution. I really hate the terms soft and hard. I voted personally to leave. Not hard nlt soft. Take control of laws and democracy again. The EU have not negotiated. Yet its always the govt fault because of this. Edited August 18, 2018 by ShootingEgg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: I don't hink he would actively help Labour in to power as that would go against his very solid principles. I agree, and I do have a lot of time for his views. Unfortunately, it is inevitable that his involvement will be at the party in power and so (in my view) that indirectly benefits the party in opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Hmmm. The risk here is that we have two parties who could have a reasonable chance of any future general election win and form the next government (possibly in a deal/coalition). Tory and Labour. Neither is particularly good on Brexit - on that I think we are all agreed. However, at present the - Tories are the 'official' government (kept that way by a deal with the DUP). The Tories are therefore the obvious subjects for any 'attack' on policy by Nigel Farage. There is no indication that on Brexit alone Labour would be any better, but since they are not in power, they can sit on the fence, make promises they could never deliver and are consequently more difficult to 'attack' over Brexit. Therefore it is inevitable that any 'attacks' by Nigel Farage are likely to hit the Tories harder than Labour. This has a real risk of handing the keys to No 10 to Jeremy Corbyn - which I think would be at least as bad on Brexit ........ and massively worse on other matters, especially the economy. IF we have a hard Brexit as many want, a highly lean, flexible and competitive economy and industry will be what we need to prosper in the world markets ...... something we can do and MUST do. We would never achieve that under Labour and the Unions. Therefore I view Nigel Farage's 'return' with some concern and caution. +1 I dont dislike Farage by any stretch, and what he has achieved so far in getting us to this point is deserving of much praise ,and hopefully one day some sort of official recognition. But there are some who are put off by him, his manner, his so called 'far right' politics ? He risks being divisive to the electorate, which I believe is why he has kept out the way. What I will say, is he is definitely a man of principal, and maybe, some more people will see that, whatever he decides to do, and if he thinks its time to re enter the stage, then it must be because he feels its the right or necessary thing to do to achieve the Brexit we voted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 I welcome his return, I only hope he is ALLOWED to speak and what he has to say is heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I dont dislike Farage by any stretch, and what he has achieved so far in getting us to this point is deserving of much praise ,and hopefully one day some sort of official recognition. But there are some who are put off by him, his manner, his so called 'far right' politics ? He risks being divisive to the electorate, which I believe is why he has kept out the way. What I will say, is he is definitely a man of principal, and maybe, some more people will see that, whatever he decides to do, and if he thinks its time to re enter the stage, then it must be because he feels its the right or necessary thing to do to achieve the Brexit we voted for. Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: I really hate the terms soft and hard. I voted personally to leave. Not hard nlt soft. Take control of laws and democracy again. The EU have not negotiated. Yet its always the govt fault because of this. Yes I hate it to, they are terms coined by remainiacs to try and make the brexit that was voted for sound negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, ShootingEgg said: I really hate the terms soft and hard. I voted personally to leave. Not hard nlt soft. It is though something widely used and people know the meaning. 1 hour ago, ShootingEgg said: Take control of laws and democracy again. The EU have not negotiated. Yet its always the govt fault because of this. I quite agree: However in my view a post Brexit world will need the UK to be lean, low cost (tax), flexible and competitive (all things for which we are leaving the EU) to thrive outside the EU's closed markets. This is exactly the reverse of the likely outcome of a Corbyn government, which (along with the support of the Unions) would go for a high tax, highly regulated, partly nationalised, high benefit type socialist economy. Such economies will not be able to compete in open world markets, and we will suffer really badly. My concern is that Farage's well meant intentions (and I have no doubt he does mean well) may backfire, and leave us in a position outside the EU and with a governmentt where we are not in any position to compete in world markets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 Nigel will ensure debate. Those who voted to stay or leave were in the same boat. Hard or soft - not one person in the country knew the full implications and they still don't. Yet people still bandy those phrases about, as if they have a special insight. If it wasn't so serous, it would be laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gordon R said: Nigel will ensure debate. Those who voted to stay or leave were in the same boat. Hard or soft - not one person in the country knew the full implications and they still don't. Yet people still bandy those phrases about, as if they have a special insight. If it wasn't so serous, it would be laughable. Well for sure the efforts of our present political 'elite' has been seriously laughable. I look forward to the 100 mile tailbacks at the French and Dutch borders and then see what the people who live in the rest of the EU and actually work for a living think. As Nigel once said in the EU Parliament, the majority in there have never done a proper job in their lives ... like ticks on the population. Edited August 18, 2018 by Walker570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Well for sure the efforts of our present political 'elite' has been seriously laughable. I look forward to the 100 mile tailbacks at the French and Dutch borders and then see what the people who live in the rest of the EU and actually work for a living think. As Nigel once said in the EU Parliament, the majority in there have never done a proper job in their lives ... like ticks on the population. Don't forget Ireland and all there gone off food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Gordon R said: Nigel will ensure debate. Those who voted to stay or leave were in the same boat. Hard or soft - not one person in the country knew the full implications and they still don't. Yet people still bandy those phrases about, as if they have a special insight. If it wasn't so serous, it would be laughable. I think the terms hard and soft entered the debate post referendum. The vote for me was clear, a complete break from the political and bureaucratic tentacles of the EU. It was not about a menu that we picked some to keep and some to lose. The deal that is being proposed by Appeaser May is half in and half out, clearly unworkable and not what Brexit inferred. If completely out is hard Brexit as I voted for, then bring it on. A trade deal beneficial to both parties would obviously be best, but that seems beyond our feckless PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Hmmm. The risk here is that we have two parties who could have a reasonable chance of any future general election win and form the next government (possibly in a deal/coalition). Tory and Labour. Neither is particularly good on Brexit - on that I think we are all agreed. However, at present the - Tories are the 'official' government (kept that way by a deal with the DUP). The Tories are therefore the obvious subjects for any 'attack' on policy by Nigel Farage. There is no indication that on Brexit alone Labour would be any better, but since they are not in power, they can sit on the fence, make promises they could never deliver and are consequently more difficult to 'attack' over Brexit. Therefore it is inevitable that any 'attacks' by Nigel Farage are likely to hit the Tories harder than Labour. This has a real risk of handing the keys to No 10 to Jeremy Corbyn - which I think would be at least as bad on Brexit ........ and massively worse on other matters, especially the economy. IF we have a hard Brexit as many want, a highly lean, flexible and competitive economy and industry will be what we need to prosper in the world markets ...... something we can do and MUST do. We would never achieve that under Labour and the Unions. Therefore I view Nigel Farage's 'return' with some concern and caution. Although being billed as a return to frontline politics, we must remember that a general election is some years away. Nigel Farage, as I see it, is joining a muliparty platform to oppose the current deal being offered. It is a last chance; through mobilising public support and convincing through oratory and reason, to head off at the pass a bad deal and offer an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted August 18, 2018 Report Share Posted August 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, TriBsa said: I think the terms hard and soft entered the debate post referendum. The vote for me was clear, a complete break from the political and bureaucratic tentacles of the EU. It was not about a menu that we picked some to keep and some to lose. The deal that is being proposed by Appeaser May is half in and half out, clearly unworkable and not what Brexit inferred. If completely out is hard Brexit as I voted for, then bring it on. A trade deal beneficial to both parties would obviously be best, but that seems beyond our feckless PM. +1 I'm yet to speak to anyone that voted out who doesn't feel the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 Yes the people of the UK voted out, In a democratically held nationwide vote! It is the responsibility of the government to honour that decision and look after the best interests of the people of the UK in exiting the EU! Its the responsibility of the political opposition party's and everyone in the UK to stand behind and support that decision! Not to screw everything up for personal or political gain or because they don't agree with the result of a democratic nationwide vote! Those that do are nothing more than traitors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, panoma1 said: Yes the people of the UK voted out, In a democratically held nationwide vote! It is the responsibility of the government to honour that decision and look after the best interests of the people of the UK in exiting the EU! Correct. The Government called the referendum and agreed to be bound by it's outcome. To be fair, the Government are 'leaving', but doing it poorly (in my view) though I place much of the blame on Europe for complete failure to negotiate, preferring to dictate. 1 hour ago, panoma1 said: Its the responsibility of the political opposition party's and everyone in the UK to stand behind and support that decision! Not technically so. In theory, it is the responsibility of individual MPs to represent their constituents. Therefore I can understand why MPs in strongly 'remain' constituencies might dissent. MPs who fail to 'tow the official UK Government line' should not have a post in Government (i.e. ministerial or similar post), though they can still remain an MP and vote according to their constituent's wishes in Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 The danger is that Nigel will split the right wing vote and we end up with a hung parliament, other than that bring it on but not under UKIP banner. The trouble with UKIP was a lot of the candidates they fielded in the last election were plonkers not up to the job Farage needs to be Banquo's ghost to May's Macbeth, always just behind her, breathing down her neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Vince Green said: The danger is that Nigel will split the right wing vote and we end up with a hung parliament, other than that bring it on but not under UKIP banner. I think he will split the Brexit vote - he has support from traditional Labour voters as well. But the ONLY hope of Brexit is from a Brexit government ...... and UKIP do not have any chance of obtaining any significant number of MPs. ANY hung Parliament will need a coalition/deal, and the only significant partners are SNP and Lib Dem, both of whom are 100% remainers. The Tory party, in some guise is the only real party capable of forming a government that has a chance of carrying out a (possibly flaky) Brexit. There is no indication that Labour would get a decent majority (if they did it would be a disaster for other reasons), and with a small majority, or as the largest single party, there is no other Brexit supporting party with which to form a coalition. (The DUP wouldn't touch Corbyn with a bargepole after his Jetty Adams sympathies in Northern Ireland) 5 minutes ago, Vince Green said: The trouble with UKIP was a lot of the candidates they fielded in the last election were plonkers not up to the job The trouble with UKIP is that they are basically a 'one man band', Nigel Farage. I can't think of ANY other candidate of any consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 18/08/2018 at 09:57, Rewulf said: +1 I dont dislike Farage by any stretch, and what he has achieved so far in getting us to this point is deserving of much praise ,and hopefully one day some sort of official recognition. But there are some who are put off by him, his manner, his so called 'far right' politics ? He risks being divisive to the electorate, which I believe is why he has kept out the way. What I will say, is he is definitely a man of principal, and maybe, some more people will see that, whatever he decides to do, and if he thinks its time to re enter the stage, then it must be because he feels its the right or necessary thing to do to achieve the Brexit we voted for. Hopefully Nigel being back puts pressure on the likes of May, he can ask questions others may not for fear of how things will go down the line. I don't blame him not wanting to be a MP again, he can achieve more without a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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