Brexit - merged threads

[Scully]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Or a two part referendum. Leave or remain. Deal or no deal. 

Or most likely. Tory more mess and mayhem. Labour, customs union. 

You seem to forget; we've already voted to leave or remain, and the majority want to leave. 

But on a purely hypothetical basis, what if we had another referendum and the result was remain? Best out of three?

What if the vote was to leave? More of what we have now? 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Scully

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

Brexit analogy. So we've all been on a night out with a mate and he says 'it's carp here' - 'let's go somewhere else' Then when you leave you realise that you have no idea where to go and the place you left won't let you back in. The UK is standing in a kebab shop at 2 am arguing over who's fault it is. 

But the thing with that analogy, is that in real life, the next day everyone gets on with their lives, and finally realises that there are better places to go than the place which wouldn't let them back in. Life doesn't just end in the kebab shop; life goes on, and the very next day we just get on with our lives. Life is not going to come to an end just because you've left the club. 

[JohnfromUK]

18 minutes ago, oowee said:

the place you left won't let you back in

If they are like that - you are better off not going there again.  Unhelpful mob who don't value you or your custom, just want your cash.  In fact, its not a bad analogy looked at that way

[Gordon R]

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Sod all to do with labour they are not the Govt they did not propose the fiasco. 

I must have misread their last manifesto, where they promised to honour the Referendum result. Then again - you are probably correct - governing the UK has nothing to do with Labour, nor will it for many years.

[Rewulf]

23 minutes ago, oowee said:

Brexit analogy. So we've all been on a night out with a mate and he says 'it's carp here' - 'let's go somewhere else' Then when you leave you realise that you have no idea where to go and the place you left won't let you back in. The UK is standing in a kebab shop at 2 am arguing over who's fault it is. 

Errr, thats when your analogy falls flat on its undemocratic face !

 

5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

If they are like that - you are better off not going there again.  Unhelpful mob who don't value you or your custom, just want your cash.  In fact, its not a bad analogy looked at that way

Better !

 

11 minutes ago, Scully said:

But the thing with that analogy, is that in real life, the next day everyone gets on with their lives, and finally realises that there are better places to go than the place which wouldn't let them back in. Life doesn't just end in the kebab shop; life goes on, and the very next day we just get on with our lives. Life is not going to come to an end just because you've left the club. 

Better yet ! Think about it this way , if the place was so good , why did you want to leave ?

The kebab shop is the the better option, you leave the dingy pub/club before it all kicks off, get yourself some grub to soak the alcohol up, home safe and sound , ready to start the new day .
You just know it makes sense 🤣

[Raja Clavata]

Guilty or not guilty is a binary choice, once the choice is made there are degrees of guilt but that shouldn't be a factor in deciding on the initial binary choice.

I was hopeful that we could all agree that parliament collectively is guilty here and just about all the factions within are guilty too and I include ERG in that.

PS not sure what all this kebab shop mullarkey is all about but mine's a Kofte with extra chilli please 😕

[Gordon R]

No party comes out of it well, nor any faction within the parties. That said - when Labour announced their "Six Points" - their stupidity was laid bare. It is impossible to reconcile their manifesto with the six points. There were originally ten points, but Di Abbott was put in charge of publication.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

There were originally ten points, but Di Abbott was put in charge of publication.

That is wrong; she knows 6 is right because she counted them off on the fingers of one hand.

[Scully]

3 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

No party comes out of it well, nor any faction within the parties. That said - when Labour announced their "Six Points" - their stupidity was laid bare. It is impossible to reconcile their manifesto with the six points. There were originally ten points, but Di Abbott was put in charge of publication.

This.

And this. 😀

[12gauge82]

 

[oowee]

There needs to be a 'Yawn' emoji.

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, oowee said:

There needs to be a 'Yawn' emoji.

Indeed. 

[oowee]

10 minutes ago, Scully said:

Indeed. 

 

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

No party comes out of it well, nor any faction within the parties. That said - when Labour announced their "Six Points" - their stupidity was laid bare. It is impossible to reconcile their manifesto with the six points. There were originally ten points, but Di Abbott was put in charge of publication.

This.

Labour set their Brexit policy up for failure.
They agreed to support it in their 2017 manifesto, as to do otherwise would have been election carnage for them, bolt on a student loan promise, written with disappearing ink, and that was their last best chance at election victory, no one except die hard labour supporters will believe them again, the fringe voters, and the leave voters will abandon them in droves due to their broken promises, jand consign them to the also rans of politics, just like the lib dems for theirs.

The tories , whilst tearing at themselves with their own remain faction, could actually salvage something from this, if they get behind a no deal scenario, plenty will find it hard, but when the sky doesnt fall in , would actually redeem themselves as the saviours of Brexit ?

25 minutes ago, oowee said:

There needs to be a 'Yawn' emoji.

Ive just thought of a better interpretation of your analogy 😄

Group of lads visit your theoretical pub/club , pay their £10 entry fee, decide they dont like the quality of the beer.
Decide by majority to leave.
As they walk out they are stopped by the doormen, who tell them they cant leave unless they pay £39 ..

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

This.

Labour set their Brexit policy up for failure.
They agreed to support it in their 2017 manifesto, as to do otherwise would have been election carnage for them, bolt on a student loan promise, written with disappearing ink, and that was their last best chance at election victory, no one except die hard labour supporters will believe them again, the fringe voters, and the leave voters will abandon them in droves due to their broken promises, jand consign them to the also rans of politics, just like the lib dems for theirs.

The tories , whilst tearing at themselves with their own remain faction, could actually salvage something from this, if they get behind a no deal scenario, plenty will find it hard, but when the sky doesnt fall in , would actually redeem themselves as the saviours of Brexit ?

Ive just thought of a better interpretation of your analogy 😄

Group of lads visit your theoretical pub/club , pay their £10 entry fee, decide they dont like the quality of the beer.
Decide by majority to leave.
As they walk out they are stopped by the doormen, who tell them they cant leave unless they pay £39 ..

Love it.

Before they vote one of the lad's says there is a place down the road called the Unicorn where they can drink for free. A lot of them, but less than the majority, who have traveled beyond the end of the street try to talk sense but they have beer in the belly and won't listen.

After the vote to leave they start arguing amongst themselves about who decided to go there in the first place. Some of the lads like the pub even though the beer is carp and refuse to let go of the bar. Some of the extremist types suggest we go back and climb right out the bog window. 

We need something to happen with this Brexit stuff we are having to make our own stuff upto argue about.

[Rewulf]

23 minutes ago, oowee said:

We need something to happen with this Brexit stuff we are having to make our own stuff upto argue about.

WE , dont have anything to argue about, we cast our votes , and the government said it would implement it, OUR part of the process is done.

Since the referendum, has any part of the electorate been asked to vote, or express where they want Brexit to go in any official capacity?

Next time you vote for a political party at a general election, because they said promised they will do something that was in your interests, and then they blatently go back on that promise , or pledge after winning power, how will you feel ?
Would you vote for them again next time ?
Labour (and the tories) promised via manifesto in 2017, that they would honour the ref result, did they not ?
The majority of them voted to trigger A 50, did they not ?
No manifesto promised a 2nd ref, or to remove no deal, or to drag the process on for years after the A 50 deadline, so why are they trying their utmost to make this happen ?

Brexit at the end of the month or not, TRUST in both main parties, and the political system in this country has taken a hit like at no time in my memory.
You would think that the people who make up that system would be doing their utmost to restore that faith ?
Let them keep digging that hole, it gets deeper and deeper, and that far right you fear so much, is finding fertile ground to grow in this climate.
You reap what you sow.

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Better yet ! Think about it this way , if the place was so good , why did you want to leave ?

The kebab shop is the the better option, you leave the dingy pub/club before it all kicks off, get yourself some grub to soak the alcohol up, home safe and sound , ready to start the new day .
You just know it makes sense 🤣

They want to leave because they realised that they've been going the same place for ever, same faces same promises and they still wake up with a hangover, none of the promises  acted on so it's time too head somewhere new.

The old place is falling apart, but over priced, full of old men trying to tell everyone what to do, taxi 🍺😋 

[JRDS]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

Love it.

Before they vote one of the lad's says there is a place down the road called the Unicorn where they can drink for free. A lot of them, but less than the majority, who have traveled beyond the end of the street try to talk sense but they have beer in the belly and won't listen.

After the vote to leave they start arguing amongst themselves about who decided to go there in the first place. Some of the lads like the pub even though the beer is carp and refuse to let go of the bar. Some of the extremist types suggest we go back and climb right out the bog window. 

We need something to happen with this Brexit stuff we are having to make our own stuff upto argue about.

The only ones drinking for free and worse are the EU, we pay them a huge sum for them to run a huge trade deficit with us and dump all their unemployed here, bargain or what!!  You lot live on a different Planet, they have treated us as something on their shoe for last well nearly 3 bloody years that long!!.  You seem very sensible but can't see past the end of your nose.  Unless you will lose financially from us leaving and put yourself before country, Gold Plated Taxpayer funded Civil Service draw down Pension investments to worry about?

Edited March 19, 2019 by JRDS

[Scully]

39 minutes ago, Mice! said:

They want to leave because they realised that they've been going the same place for ever, same faces same promises and they still wake up with a hangover, none of the promises  acted on so it's time too head somewhere new.

The old place is falling apart, but over priced, full of old men trying to tell everyone what to do, taxi 🍺😋 

Nice one. 🙂

[DoolinDalton]

I sincerely hope that someone, be it a journalist or even Nigel Farage, publishes the names of all those MP's (and others) who are trying to prevent the will of the British people and democracy. Circulate the list nationwide for all to see and then maybe the British people will vote the traitors out at the next General election! There'll be a few hundred twitchy toots by then, on both sides of the Commons!   

[JRDS]

That will be about 620 of them then.  Labour are using Brexit for purely Political means, Mays deal is Kier Starmer's wet dream!!

[Dave-G]

Going metric was one of the slippery slopes that showed how easily we were manipulated.

[old man]

Hot off the press, the MRLP have proposed Noel Edmonds negotiate the remains of Brexit because at least he understands 'deal and no deal?'

[sportsbob]

16 hours ago, DoolinDalton said:

I sincerely hope that someone, be it a journalist or even Nigel Farage, publishes the names of all those MP's (and others) who are trying to prevent the will of the British people and democracy. Circulate the list nationwide for all to see and then maybe the British people will vote the traitors out at the next General election! There'll be a few hundred twitchy toots by then, on both sides of the Commons!   

If you have an Android Phone there is an app in playstore called Commonsvotes which gives the details of the votes including who voted which way.

[JohnfromUK]

15 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

If you have an Android Phone there is an app in playstore called Commonsvotes which gives the details of the votes including who voted which way.

It (or something very similar) is also available in iOS, and there is an App called House Papers that details the actual white/green etc papers (presumably, I haven't downloaded it)