Greta Thunberg

[TIGHTCHOKE]

A very interesting viewpoint!

[JDog]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

A very interesting viewpoint!

Agreed.

My simplistic view is that a girl of that age does not have the mental capacity to assimilate all of the necessary information to come to her strident views. She is merely a puppet for others.

As far as climate change is concerned my own view is that the universe has seen it all before. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, why would any normal parent/parents  put their child in this position, it is obvious her parents are not in this category, i would hesitate to say but i can see her having what we call in uk a BURN OUT, all this to appease her parents,  

[Gordon R]

Teal - I appreciate it was the UN, but the main culprits will not listen and take heed. If she is to target countries, she needs to take the issue to their doorstep. The only publicity she got at the UN had a negative effect on the content of her speech, which is a shame. She has a point, but her delivery is extreme and invites ridicule.

Perhaps the very scientists who warn of impending doom should be the ones making the speeches, where they could counter any arguments, rather than resort to a prepared script.

[sportsbob]

34 minutes ago, JDog said:

Agreed.

My simplistic view is that a girl of that age does not have the mental capacity to assimilate all of the necessary information to come to her strident views. She is merely a puppet for others.

As far as climate change is concerned my own view is that the universe has seen it all before. 

She has been diagnosed with several mental disorders. 

Bellow is an extract from Wikipedia

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.^[12] Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,^[13] obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD),^[13] and selective mutism.^[13][14] While acknowledging that her diagnosis "has limited me before", she does not view her Asperger's as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower".^[14]

[JDog]

17 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

She has been diagnosed with several mental disorders. 

Bellow is an extract from Wikipedia

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.^[12] Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,^[13] obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD),^[13] and selective mutism.^[13][14] While acknowledging that her diagnosis "has limited me before", she does not view her Asperger's as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower".^[14]

Interesting.

Aspergers syndrome can often mean those who suffer from it have tunnel vision and cannot believe anything outside their own mindset. Packham is a perfect example.

[sportsbob]

6 minutes ago, JDog said:

Interesting.

Aspergers syndrome can often mean those who suffer from it have tunnel vision and cannot believe anything outside their own mindset. Packham is a perfect example.

The perfect puppet.

[ditchman]

its all very well listening to a rehersed diatribe from her................how would she stand up to a Paxman interview..............

where would her reasoned argument and facts and figures come from then ?

[sportsbob]

She would sit there and shout and cry 😣😫😭

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 minutes ago, ditchman said:

its all very well listening to a rehersed diatribe from her................how would she stand up to a Paxman interview..............

where would her reasoned argument and facts and figures come from then ?

I doubt he would bother!

[Yellow Bear]

4 minutes ago, ditchman said:

its all very well listening to a rehersed diatribe from her................how would she stand up to a Paxman interview..............

where would her reasoned argument and facts and figures come from then ?

This is where the selective muteism kicks in - she will just remain silent like she has been told to with an excuse pre prepared

[henry d]

2 hours ago, Dibble said:

A mate of mine used to Tour Manage small/medium bands and I see some parallels with Greta Thunberg.

After a few months touring bands would go a bit "loopy"They are  constantly  the center of attention and everyones efforts, nobody dares to upset/offend or even have a different opinion to them. They are The Product and if they don't perform nobody earns......<SNIPPED>........They finally fell out with each other in the hotel bar and started fighting, we watched them rolling round the floor for 10 minutes, whilst quietly supping pints and commentating on the fact years of playing video games dosen't equip you to throw a decent punch.

The problem with your analogy is the difference in how someone in their mid teens and someone in their 20`s thinks, let alone how males and females think, etc (see below)

1 hour ago, sportsbob said:

She has been diagnosed with several mental disorders. 

Bellow is an extract from Wikipedia

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.^[12] Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,^[13] obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD),^[13] and selective mutism.^[13][14] While acknowledging that her diagnosis "has limited me before", she does not view her Asperger's as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower".^[14]

 

1 hour ago, JDog said:

Interesting.

Aspergers syndrome can often mean those who suffer from it have tunnel vision and cannot believe anything outside their own mindset. Packham is a perfect example.

So which of you guys are specialists in ASD? Do you know how much her Asbergers affects her and in which areas? I`ve worked with a few and my wife has worked with children and young people on the AS for 28 years and neither of us could say that any two were exactly alike, so it is a bit unfair to cherry pick from the internet just because you don`t like someone or what they stand for.

Or is it some kind of echo chamber?

Edited September 25, 2019 by henry d
Addendum

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, henry d said:

So which of you guys are specialists in ASD? Do you know how much her Asbergers affects her and in which areas? I`ve worked with a few and my wife has worked with children and young people on the AS for 28 years and neither of us could say that any two were exactly alike, so it is a bit unfair to cherry pick from the internet just because you don`t like someone or what they stand for.

Or is it some kind of echo chamber?

Err no Henry , its an opinion , is it still OK to have one ?

[Rewulf]

[Danger-Mouse]

20 hours ago, Teal said:

With a few exceptions, I think it is a shame that people are focusing on the individual, rather than the points she is making. Regardless of your views, she is raising the profile of the issue, and whilst I don't agree with some of the things or some of the people she associates with. I think it is very important that it is on the radar.

It is all too easily swept under the carpet for a future generation to deal with, and carry on regardless. I don't think there are many absolute climate change deniers on here, but it is unpopular to challenge the status quo, especially if it means telling people things they don't want to hear.

If you don't want to take flak. Stay out of the public eye.

What do you expect that people are going to take well being lectured by a 16 year old girl who has the issues she has? Trump has treated her exactly as everyone else should have.

She did say one thing that was correct. That she should be back in school, not at the UN. That's not our fault though. That's the fault of her parents who have used her to push their own agenda. Probably made a few Krona out of it too.

The truth is she has been politically weaponised to push an agenda. It's not just about climate change either. Without wishing to sound like a conspiracy theorist, she's clearly a tool of those in favour of globalisation.

Plus, if you do want to be treated seriously. Maybe don't wear Antifa t-shirts. Considering they're close to being seen as domestic terrorists in the US.

[Mungler]

These child experts eh? It's going to end in tears and her having a full blown meltdown.

Anyone remember the strange white haired boy antiques expert who went on Wogan?

Turned out the little fella wasn't an antiques expert or a few other things.

I blame the parents.

 

[fern01]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Good chart which says it all really and  indicates where Greta should toddle off to and make a few speeches. While she is there she may like to sample some of the rivers as well.

Edited September 25, 2019 by fern01

[Rewulf]

45 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said:

The truth is she has been politically weaponised to push an agenda. It's not just about climate change either. Without wishing to sound like a conspiracy theorist, she's clearly a tool of those in favour of globalisation.

[Newbie to this]

She is just another Hypocrite!!!

https://order-order.com/2019/08/16/gretas-titanic-hypocrisy/

 

[sportsbob]

3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

She is just another Hypocrite!!!

https://order-order.com/2019/08/16/gretas-titanic-hypocrisy/

 

Excellent , perhaps someone should tell her 😁

[oowee]

Lets get this straight re India and China. It is the West that exports it's pollution to China and India through it's consumption. 

It is cheaper to get stuff made in China and India as the wages are lower and the environmental standards are less than ours hence the reduced costs. Their pollution is our pollution. We can demand higher standards from them and they will comply to retain our business but it will cost more so we don't do it. 

 

Rain forest. It's perfectly understandable that Brazil will want to exploit's own resources just as we exploited our own and others resources in the past.  If the rain forest is indeed the lungs of the world then in my view the world ought to be paying Brazil to keep it that way. 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, oowee said:

Lets get this straight re India and China. It is the West that exports it's pollution to China and India through it's consumption. 

You are havin a larf ! 
We dont tell them what to do , their 2.5 BILLION citizens will do what they please, or they will elect a government that does  !

 

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

It is cheaper to get stuff made in China and India as the wages are lower and the environmental standards are less than ours hence the reduced costs. Their pollution is our pollution. We can demand higher standards from them and they will comply to retain our business but it will cost more so we don't do it. 

Stop it now man 

Demand higher standards ?! How ? Threaten to stop buying off them ? Really ?

4 minutes ago, oowee said:

Rain forest. It's perfectly understandable that Brazil will want to exploit's own resources just as we exploited our own and others resources in the past.  If the rain forest is indeed the lungs of the world then in my view the world ought to be paying Brazil to keep it that way. 

They would take the money, and still burn it down, youre being totally unrealistic !

You cant tell sovereign nations what to do , especially when your own  corporations are profiteering  from them.

[oowee]

We (the EU) could drive China standards through controls but it will push prices. To some degree the EU already does it. The power of the market. Take the blinkers off and look at what the EU has done in this direction. I only wish they would do more.

Brazil??? It is not a matter of telling them what to do. We are already starting to have an effect by refusing to sign the trade agreement with Brazil. Trade is the big lever. 

We have to do something what would you propose, giving them a fire extinguisher? 

 

[Scully]

19 minutes ago, oowee said:

Lets get this straight re India and China. It is the West that exports it's pollution to China and India through it's consumption. 

It is cheaper to get stuff made in China and India as the wages are lower and the environmental standards are less than ours hence the reduced costs. Their pollution is our pollution. We can demand higher standards from them and they will comply to retain our business but it will cost more so we don't do it. 

 

Rain forest. It's perfectly understandable that Brazil will want to exploit's own resources just as we exploited our own and others resources in the past.  If the rain forest is indeed the lungs of the world then in my view the world ought to be paying Brazil to keep it that way. 

I've been saying this for years; if the world is so concerned about the rain forest then why doesn't the world subsidise Brazil to keep it that way? Perhaps it isn't true. Just a thought. 

[Rewulf]

Just now, oowee said:

We (the EU) could drive China standards through controls but it will push prices. To some degree the EU already does it. The power of the market. Take the blinkers off and look at what the EU has done in this direction. I only wish they would do more.

I buy lots of stuff from China, there is virtually NO control on standards, you are confusing tariffs with standards.
The EU thinks if it puts tariffs up it controls quality, it doesnt do anything of the sort ! It just makes the EU money.

India does a roaring trade in prescription only generic drugs like viagra , tamiflu ect, there are NO controls on these coming in, none that work anyway.

Theres a huge difference between thinking youve made rules, so you have aquitted your responsibility, and making sure markets and standards are respected.
Profits being the driving factor.

6 minutes ago, oowee said:

Brazil??? It is not a matter of telling them what to do. We are already starting to have an effect by refusing to sign the trade agreement with Brazil. Trade is the big lever. 

We have to do something what would you propose, giving them a fire extinguisher? 

Refusing to sign a trade agreement !! Yeah thats going to scare them to death !

Theyll keep burning rainforest until people like your Greta lobby them that hard, theyll give them whatever they want, usually called 'foreign aid'
That oil that keeps the wheels turning in the upper echelons .

And if that fails , they will get freedom and democracy at the tip of an AGM 114.