JohnfromUK Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mice! said: voting for a party because they probably won't restrict shooting seems a bit silly with all that's going on, but surely its reason enough to spend 5 mins going to vote? I'm voting for a party I (generally) support, but in fact since I live in a very safe seat and vote for the incumbent, my vote is far from critical. However - the Labour party, Greens and to some extent LibDems draw a significant part of their support from the 'lefty snowflaky' groups, and most harder anti shooting/field sports (ALF and LACS) are very much towards the harder left. Labour and LibDem have also been very negative about firearms ownership in the past. I do think that anyone who is interested in field sports and shooting needs to consider whether their chosen party would support their chosen sport should there be (as there undoubtedly will be in the not too distant future) attempts made to restrict them from the likes of LACS, ALF, WJ and their ilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 I think that Labour and the hard left are just totally against my entire way of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Does anybody here vote for a candidate first, and a party second? Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Yes I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Aled said: Does anybody here vote for a candidate first, and a party second? Under some circumstances I might, but not with the present list we (in my constituency) have - none of whom stand out. Overall however - it is the party that forms the government that will determine our future success/failure, laws, taxation, foreign policy, spending priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Scully said: I hope I’m wrong but I’m predicting it’s labour. Sadly, experience tells? The only certainty here is that whichever clowns win, we, the plebs will inevitably be worse off? Having made us the weakling laughing stock of Europe each will pursue it's own version of subjugation while having their own snouts buried to the point of drowning in the public trough? Boom and bust will be forged on the issues of climate change, NHS and HS2? Fortunes made and increased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 How many remain leaning Tory's have been removed from the party? If as predicted the Tory's get a majority it will hopefully be small. The lead will fall apart with a radical right wing agenda on Brexit and a more conciliatory moderate outcome might be more likely. Let us hope that if there is some form of power share the prize of PR is grasped and we then have a chance of dealing with the global challenges that our two party system is ill equipped to manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, oowee said: How many remain leaning Tory's have been removed from the party? If as predicted the Tory's get a majority it will hopefully be small. The lead will fall apart with a radical right wing agenda on Brexit and a more conciliatory moderate outcome might be more likely. Let us hope that if there is some form of power share the prize of PR is grasped and we then have a chance of dealing with the global challenges that our two party system is ill equipped to manage. So you want another hung parliament and another period of not being able to do anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: So you want another hung parliament and another period of not being able to do anything? I want a common agenda of consensus, somewhere in the middle. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, oowee said: I want a common agenda of consensus, somewhere in the middle. 🙂 So that nothing can happen and that way you get your wish to remain! Edited December 11, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE SPELLAGE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, London Best said: For me it’s always been the ONLY reason for going to vote! Always been very strong on my list of reasons, too. To protect what me, my father and grandfather before him, loved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: So that nothing can happen and that way you get your wish to remain! So we can agree to move forward with an option that works rather than one step forward and two back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, oowee said: So we can agree to move forward with an option that works rather than one step forward and two back. I don't see how that can happen. The most effective governments are the ones that make plans and see them through. The worst ones are those driven by ideology rather than rational and objective actions. The middle way philosophy produces numpties like Nick Clegg and has never achieved anything bar some tinkering at the detail level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Westward said: I don't see how that can happen. The most effective governments are the ones that make plans and see them through. The worst ones are those driven by ideology rather than rational and objective actions. The middle way philosophy produces numpties like Nick Clegg and has never achieved anything bar some tinkering at the detail level. ? We have no plans only parties driven by ideologies rather than rational and objective actions. So it will happen. The middle way philosophy has worked well for Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden. You might also add Germany to that group. Ask how we will deal with the long term issues of the NHS or climate change without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, oowee said: Ask how we will deal with the long term issues of the NHS or climate change without it. Starting with the NHS, my view is that no one can fix it as it stands and throwing in ever increasing tranches of money simply delays the eventual implosion that can only be prevented by root and branch restructuring. Same principle applies to climate change, lets stop kidding ourselves that it can be prevented and instead, crack on with working out how to deal with it. Running round like chickens with their heads chopped off bleating about "Protecting our NHS" and "Reducing our carbon footprint" achieves nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 I predict that a bunch of untrustworthy **** houses will get elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Any thoughts on how to prepare for best survival should Corbyn get in ? I genuinely fear the current labour organisation getting in. And Lib Debs not much behind them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, London Best said: Come on chaps(esses), surely NO Shooting man can even contemplate voting Labour? The only sensible post I've read , forget Brexit and climate change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, salop sniper said: Any thoughts on how to prepare for best survival should Corbyn get in ? I genuinely fear the current labour organisation getting in. And Lib Debs not much behind them either. you don't have to worry about us in parliament. Swinson's shot the lot of us in the feet with her 'We're going to cancel Brexit' routine. It'll be a good share of the vote but very few seats; at least that's what all the internal polls are suggesting. Plenty of second places, but not lots of seats. As for Corbyn? don't worry, they won't win. The best they can hope for is a hung parliament and more confusion. Corbyn won't be in any shape to be elected until he a) sorts out the antisemitism row and b) stops momentum assassinating his own politicians. Given that he doesn't seem to want to do either, it's not much of a case to say he's ready for leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 I don't gamble but tempted to have a flutter on Diane Abbott as Home Secretary completing the Trump & Johnson trilogy. I know, some things should not be joked about but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 41 minutes ago, Westward said: Starting with the NHS, my view is that no one can fix it as it stands and throwing in ever increasing tranches of money simply delays the eventual implosion that can only be prevented by root and branch restructuring. Same principle applies to climate change, lets stop kidding ourselves that it can be prevented and instead, crack on with working out how to deal with it. Running round like chickens with their heads chopped off bleating about "Protecting our NHS" and "Reducing our carbon footprint" achieves nothing. Exactly. The only. Way forward on. NHS is consensus. Samme with. cllimate change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I don't gamble but tempted to have a flutter on Diane Abbott as Home Secretary completing the Trump & Johnson trilogy. I know, some things should not be joked about but... DO NOT JEST !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I don't gamble but tempted to have a flutter on Diane Abbott as Home Secretary completing the Trump & Johnson trilogy. I know, some things should not be joked about but... It’s got to be worth a tenner; no one expected us to vote to leave the EU, before the votes were counted! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Scully said: It’s got to be worth a tenner; no one expected us to vote to leave the EU, before the votes were counted! 👍 There's a point, are you sure DA wasn't involved in the counting? Just asking 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, oowee said: Exactly. The only. Way forward on. NHS is consensus. Samme with. cllimate change. NHS shouldn't be political, it should be above that, it's there to serve the people, not be used for point scoring. Climate change? Don't see how our little island can effect anything really when China Russia USA for three can do as they please, and quite simply dwarf us completely, sounds good though and means we can be taxed more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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