THE LOCKDOWN From Today May 11TH.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, derbyduck said:

or Nur& Spell !

Both of the current players have been notified by carrier pigeon message.

[AVB]

And it seems that travellers from France will be exempt from the 14 Day quarantine. I don’t agree with any quarantine but doing some countries and not others doesn’t make sense especially one hit as hard as France. 

[johnphilip]

55 minutes ago, JDog said:

Because the Welsh and Scots do not want to be seen to be following rules which came from an English Prime Minister.

Could you please explain by what you mean about the Welsh and the Scots . I live in Scotland and regard  Boris as my Prime Minister.  The Prime Minister  of the United kingdom . And long may we remain a United  kingdom .

[Raja Clavata]

22 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

As in a post above - it is possible that when the 50 pages of detail come out, there may be detail such as  "the 'able to drive for leisure) may well be caveated by a 'reasonable distance', or 'to a local park/facility' ........ which would fit with being able to do solitary (or household) sporting pursuits like golf. fishing, tennis etc. "

I'm sure the 50 pages will bring clarity and I hope it uses more definitive language than "reasonable" which is of course very subjective.

[henry d]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

You can look at that (at least) two ways;

1. that Wales and Scotland are on slightly different timescales for 'the curve'.  Wales did get badly affected quite early, perhaps quite like England, but Scotland was a little slower, and so may be a little behind.  They may also have less leeway in NHS capacity.  Therefore it could be interpreted that there is some justification to be different.
2. that the leaders of Wales and Scotland, being effectively 'opposition' parties are simply making things difficult for the government.  In Scotland's case - their leader is known to oppose Westminster, and Johnson particularly at every possible opportunity.

In my view, it is an unnecessary complication, but not all that serious at present since the 'relaxation' in England is very modest.

While I have no time for NS as a politician, I think it is unfair to say that she is doing it in opposition to the tories as she accepted the lockdown as such and needs to get the country going again SAFELY. Others too have said that, geographically, some areas may need to remain in isolation a little longer, but even that is problematic. Scotland was given devolved powers so I think it is up to her to say when we get out to play like England, hopefully it will be just after the May plankton bloom and the weather is conducive to getting afloat

[panoma1]

At this time of year surely the only live quarry shooting that can be undertaken is pest control? So I don’t really see that as any different to other sports/pursuits such as tennis, fishing, golf etc! In fact it is a sport/pursuit arguably more necessary! As long as the same social distance rules are observed!

[JohnfromUK]

7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

"reasonable" which is of course very subjective.

and a prosperous living for the legal profession.

 

7 minutes ago, henry d said:

While I have no time for NS as a politician, I think it is unfair to say that she is doing it in opposition to the tories

It was suggested as one of the possible interpretations.  I can see a 'regionally tailored' lifting has its merits .......... but it is more complex, and so in many ways risky as being harder to interpret and police.  I can see both sides - and (fortunately) don't have to make a decision!  I shall follow the English rules.

[toontastic]

Simple thing is you can't list EVERY activity. Just use a bit common sense if at all possible.

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

At this time of year surely the only live quarry shooting that can be undertaken is pest control? So I don’t really see that as any different to other sports/pursuits such as tennis, fishing, golf etc! In fact it is a sport/pursuit arguably more necessary! As long as the same social distance rules are observed!

We need to be careful on this; pest control is NOT sporting (to admit such is open to all sorts of troubles).  It is a job that needs to be done ......... and some people do enjoy their jobs.

[henry d]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

 I shall follow the English rules.

I wish I could, however I`m sue I am saving a life, and that the cod and pollack are getting fatter

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, toontastic said:

Just use a bit common sense if at all possible.

Largely gone from the UK these days.  Bred out, educated out, banned, whatever, it is a scare thing.

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

and a prosperous living for the legal profession.

Ain't that the truth. Every question I have ever asked an IP lawyer results in, at least, two potential answers 🙄

To be fair, it's not just NS who is bemused by statements made by our PM last night, most of Europe is having a "snigger" over this.

[panoma1]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

We need to be careful on this; pest control is NOT sporting (to admit such is open to all sorts of troubles).  It is a job that needs to be done ......... and some people do enjoy their jobs.

That why I added pursuit! It ain’t a job really is it? Because most do it unpaid for a pastime! If we believe our opponents don't realise this, we are fooling ourselves! It’s the old anti argument......pest control may be necessary/acceptable in certain limited circumstances but “you must not enjoy doing it”

[derbyduck]

34 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Both of the current players have been notified by carrier pigeon message.

😜

[Farmboy91]

3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

You answered your own question!

 

Sports LIKE, If the Shooting Grounds are going to open and accept our money, get out there in the fresh air, not difficult to socially distance, Clubhouse would presumably be off limits.

Go shoot some clays, I will as soon as I can.

Sorry, I should have stuck a tongue in cheek emoji on there 😂

 

57 minutes ago, scouser said:

What if you shoot on a golf coarse???

That should definitely be allowed

 

52 minutes ago, toontastic said:

No mention of croquet either, damn

That's me stuffed this weekend then 🙄

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

Largely gone from the UK these days.  Bred out, educated out, banned, whatever, it is a scare thing.

A popular phrase / notion which is "as old as the hills" - common sense is based on personal experience and perceptions / perspective - and this is what leads to incorrect notion that it's largely gone. The issues arise around corner cases.

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

common sense is based on personal experience and perceptions / perspective

Agreed, but the 'nanny state' has (in my opinion) reduced the breadth of personal experience, and narrowed perceptions, reduced perspective.  We used to 'learn by our mistakes' and that did of course have occasional unpleasant consequences, but also did work for many many people.

My late father was a great believe in learning from your mistakes ........ but under supervision to avoid the worst disasters.  It was (for me anyway) a great way to learn.  I have no (visible) scars from my learning, but it drew blood and raised blisters from time to time.

[clangerman]

i will consider if shooting is now allowed while shooting the peas this afternoon lol

[turbo33]

I wouldn't be to fast to assume we can all go shooting anytime soon.

I live in Surrey, the farm I shoot over is in Hampshire, 20 mins away. It has been suggested on various media platforms, that Hampshire police were taking a hard line with the possible revocation of licenses for people going out shooting. See alert bulletin here:

https://www.hampshirealert.co.uk/da/318713/Essential_business_for_firearm_and_shotgun_holders.html

Note the emphasis on being employed, (definition-paid).

So having received a specific letter of authorisation from my farmer, peas in, Maize drilled, and mindful of the differing Police forces take on this, I emailed the Hants firearms dept on Saturday 11th May, for their attention this week, to ask if I fulfilled the criteria, and not put my license at risk. At 06.05 this morning, I had their reply.

 

Dear Mr XXXXX 

Please see the guidance set out by BASC. https://basc.org.uk/basc-updates-coronavirus-pest-control-advice/ 

Obviously vermin control should only be taking place if it is essential in preventing crop damage or harm to livestock. You need to be able to evidence that this activity is essential. Unless you are employed as a pest/vermin controller or game keeper or you are shooting on your own land and can evidence that it is essential then we suggest that you should refrain from any vermin control at this time. As the guidance stands travel should only be for essential things such as work where you can't work from home, food shopping and for exercise.

Yours sincerely 

Tania Watson

Firearms Licensing Administration Officer Firearms Licensing, Operational Headquarters, Hampshire Constabulary, Tower Street, Winchester, SO23 8ZD Tel 02380 478104 – lines open 10 am – 12pm weekdays

 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by turbo33

[AVB]

6 minutes ago, turbo33 said:

I wouldn't be to fast to assume we can all go shooting anytime soon.

I live in Surrey, the farm I shoot over is in Hampshire, 20 mins away. It has been suggested on various media platforms, that Hampshire police were taking a hard line with the possible revocation of licenses for people going out shooting. See alert bulletin here:

https://www.hampshirealert.co.uk/da/318713/Essential_business_for_firearm_and_shotgun_holders.html

Note the emphasis on being employed, (definition-paid).

So having received a specific letter of authorisation from my farmer, peas in, Maize drilled, and mindful of the differing Police forces take on this, I emailed the Hants firearms dept on Saturday 11th May, for their attention this week, to ask if I fulfilled the criteria, and not put my license at risk. At 06.05 this morning, I had their reply.

 

Dear Mr XXXXX 

Please see the guidance set out by BASC. https://basc.org.uk/basc-updates-coronavirus-pest-control-advice/ 

Obviously vermin control should only be taking place if it is essential in preventing crop damage or harm to livestock. You need to be able to evidence that this activity is essential. Unless you are employed as a pest/vermin controller or game keeper or you are shooting on your own land and can evidence that it is essential then we suggest that you should refrain from any vermin control at this time. As the guidance stands travel should only be for essential things such as work where you can't work from home, food shopping and for exercise.

Yours sincerely A deTania Watson

Firearms Licensing Administration Officer Firearms Licensing, Operational Headquarters, Hampshire Constabulary, Tower Street, Winchester, SO23 8ZD Tel 02380 478104 – lines open 10 am – 12pm weekdays

 

 

 

You are putting too much emphasis on being paid. One definition of employed is 'to keep occupied'. If you have been requested to perform pest control, and hence is critical, then I believe you are fulfilling the criteria. 

[clangerman]

the chance of any force successfully taking your tickets for shooting when other forces allow it to take place is zero they would be laughed out of court and they know it so do i hence why i carried on shooting it’s scaremongering cobblers 

[JDog]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

Could you please explain by what you mean about the Welsh and the Scots . I live in Scotland and regard  Boris as my Prime Minister.  The Prime Minister  of the United kingdom . And long may we remain a United  kingdom .

Apologies. I worded my post poorly. It is the SNP and the Welsh Assembly which don't like taking instructions from an English Government. 

[TRINITY]

10 minutes ago, JDog said:

Apologies. I worded my post poorly. It is the SNP and the Welsh Assembly which don't like taking instructions from an English Government. 

This type of thing happens in many circumstances. Extremely small minorities shouting loud and deliberately trying to be different in order to justify their existence.

[johnphilip]

15 minutes ago, JDog said:

Apologies. I worded my post poorly. It is the SNP and the Welsh Assembly which don't like taking instructions from an English Government. 

Accepted , I hate them aswell , I hate the point scoring , I  belive  it will bring unrest here people seeing England  been allowed more freedom  at a safe distance .. I find it very strange seening her on her podium  not asking for her freedom .  Stay safe 

[Farmboy91]

34 minutes ago, AVB said:

You are putting too much emphasis on being paid. One definition of employed is 'to keep occupied'. If you have been requested to perform pest control, and hence is critical, then I believe you are fulfilling the criteria. 

This is what I took from my conversation with natural England. Having an actual qualification didn't come into it. 

Suffolk firearms said they were in no position to say yes or no, only to act within the govt guidelines.