mossy835 Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, HuskyRich said: Would help if they put that in the news article if that was the case 🙄 but they dont, they want it to look bad, for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, clangerman said: why are stores selling air rifles only asking for nothing more than photo id must be a lot of crims with air rifles out there who should not have them Because that is the Law. I persume the RFD informs the local firearms enquiry team of purchases and it will be down to the FET to decide if the person who has purchased it is a prohibited person. Edited October 1, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, clangerman said: why are stores selling air rifles only asking for nothing more than photo id must be a lot of crims with air rifles out there who should not have them they can and there is no licence, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 i think the rfd have some neck demanding a transfer fee for a air rifle while at the same time they are selling them when they know full well the buyer maybe barred from ownership talk about double standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Because that is the Law. I persume the RFD informs the local firearms enquiry team of purchases and it will be down to the FET to decide if the person who has purchased it is a prohibited person. As far as I’m aware there is no requirement in law for a RFD ( or anyone selling an air rifle ) to inform the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 8 hours ago, figgy said: A drink on shoot day has always been part of the day, over the day the odd nip from a hip flask or slow him and champers isn't going to affect you unless some medical reason. After a shoot when guns away no reason why not to enjoy yourselves with a few drinks. Too many snowflakes these days, if you don't like it don't go simple. NO person that has consumed alcohol should be in possession of a firearm you cant call someone a snowflake when it is common sense no matter what they always did on shoot day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 44 minutes ago, clangerman said: i think the rfd have some neck demanding a transfer fee for a air rifle while at the same time they are selling them when they know full well the buyer maybe barred from ownership talk about double standards Are you suggesting RFD's should have access to the PNC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 We had to sign a section 21 form to say we weren't prohibited persons to use the range for the proficiency test, do you sign this when buying an air rifle? I can't see what else the shop could ask when they are (for now) unlicensed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Scully said: As far as I’m aware there is no requirement in law for a RFD ( or anyone selling an air rifle ) to inform the police. 👍 I have no idea and was guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: 👍 I have no idea and was guessing. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave-G said: Are you suggesting RFD's should have access to the PNC? of coarse not but they could easily have a declaration your not prohibited in place to go with photo id this is partly a failing by plod if your main the cause for the ridiculous restrictions we have you should enforce them not just the ones that take your fancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Scully said: As far as I’m aware there is no requirement in law for a RFD ( or anyone selling an air rifle ) to inform the police. Correct. Even in Scotland with the requirement to hold an Air Weapon Certificate, an RFD does not tell the police about transactions involving air guns. They may record your details from your certificate but that’s for warranty records. Interestingly, there’s no charge if you change your address for a FAC or SGC but you have to fill out an Air Weapon Variation form for a change of address at a cost of £20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 The time for drinks is after the guns are in there slips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 Quote this is partly a failing by plod if your main the cause for the ridiculous restrictions we have you should enforce them not just the ones that take your fancy Any chance of that in English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Rim Fire said: NO person that has consumed alcohol should be in possession of a firearm you cant call someone a snowflake when it is common sense no matter what they always did on shoot day That's just it I can call them a snowflake. To me that's exactly what they are. My veiw differd from yours and that's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyRich Posted October 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Gordon R said: Any chance of that in English? Sounds like he's "In drink" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 21 hours ago, figgy said: That's going to happen as it does everywhere else. Some just can't stop themselves. I'm very much with you - in that a sensible drink for those who want it within limits is fine as part of the day. Those who choose to abstain should also be respected. Those who "just can't stop themselves" should ponder if they are suitable to handle guns. If you really can't behave sensibly when drink is available, you have an illness type problem and it would be a reason for a refusal of a 'ticket'. No shoot/shooting activity should tolerate people who are unfit through drink taking any part where shooting/gun handling takes place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 If I saw a neighbour walking into his house with a rifle I wouldn’t call the police because: a) I know my neighbour shoots and holds a SGC b) I would recognise the gun as being an air rifle Most members of the public WOULD (and in my opinion SHOULD) call the police because: a) Their neighbour does NOT hold a SGC or FAC b) To their eyes the gun could be a high velocity rifle Let the police attend and sort it out, 99% of the time they will find there is no problem. 1% of the time they might prevent a murder or suicide. In this case if the guy was arrested I agree it sounds like there is more to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 Sec 12 licensing act 1872.drunk in charge of a loaded weapon. A pellet in the barrel is loaded, doesn't have to be cooked. I suspect there's other laws that cover it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, GingerCat said: Sec 12 licensing act 1872.drunk in charge of a loaded weapon. A pellet in the barrel is loaded, doesn't have to be cooked. I suspect there's other laws that cover it too. Would that be gas mark 6 then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 2, 2020 Report Share Posted October 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Westley said: Would that be gas mark 6 then ? I think 4 would do it if you left it long enough. Good spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave-G Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 19 hours ago, GingerCat said: Sec 12 licensing act 1872.drunk in charge of a loaded weapon. A pellet in the barrel is loaded, doesn't have to be cooked. I suspect there's other laws that cover it too. I seem to recall reading that a pellet in a mag is considered loaded in air guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 If the mag is attached if not the gun cannot be loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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