AVB Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 According to the Office for National Statistics the average age of a person dying of covid is 82.4 years. Whilst not trivialising the impact of covid it does reinforce my view that restrictions should be targeted at those more at risk rather than the wider population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) The country and politicians have become a bunch of scaredy cats. Over 200 people will die today from the effects of smoking. I'm now over 80yrs of age and more than happy to take my chances which I have done since being bombed in the early forties, manages to avoid polio, TB, hooping cough, dyptheria and four other nasty flu outbreaks which killed thousands. The problem now is, the government are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. There is little doubt the whole fiasco is dragging the country down to rock bottom. The people should be left to use their own common sense which seems very lacking in those in charge and those advising. I'm sure someone on here will come up with a graph or two to prove me wrong ..... or try to. Edited October 9, 2020 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 Walker I totally agree with you the only thing I have not lived though was the bombing in second war we should be able to make up our own minds what we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearwater Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 It's going to be a game changer 'if' Trump has had the virus and is perfect after his drug cocktail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 eat out to die out , opening pubs ,unis now a hot bed of infection no sign of common sense whatsoever why start now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 It would be interesting to see if any of the many students getting the virus are being hospitalised, or simply a bit off colour for a few weeks. Certainly the over 70s need to take care still but everyone else that's healthy? I'm still just keeping my distance from lads at work, not a bad thing 😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 Putting it bluntly, most people don't make any effort to keep fit and healthy. Witness our local, largely working class, town which one of my sons described (correctly)as being full of fat people with bad tattoos! Consequently, the majority of of the over 50s are suffering from or are at high and increasing risk from a range of conditions requiring intervention and/or support from medications. Those such as my wife and I, both in our 70s, who adhere pretty closely to the 5 basic rules of well being have no underlying health issues and are not on any prescription meds, therefore despite being in the "at risk" age group we have no fear of Covid. We would consider it grossly unfair if we were ordered to stay indoors simply because of our ages. The doctors know who's at risk and who isn't. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, clangerman said: eat out to die out , opening pubs ,unis now a hot bed of infection All of which is better than living locked up in fear. This virus is here to stay, it's not going anywhere, and a effective, safe vaccine is a long way away and only good until the strain changes. At some point we have to just get on with life, take extra precautions, but get on with living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, AVB said: According to the Office for National Statistics the average age of a person dying of covid is 82.4 years. Whilst not trivialising the impact of covid it does reinforce my view that restrictions should be targeted at those more at risk rather than the wider population. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: The country and politicians have become a bunch of scaredy cats. Over 200 people will die today from the effects of smoking. I'm now over 80yrs of age and more than happy to take my chances which I have done since being bombed in the early forties, manages to avoid polio, TB, hooping cough, dyptheria and four other nasty flu outbreaks which killed thousands. The problem now is, the government are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. There is little doubt the whole fiasco is dragging the country down to rock bottom. The people should be left to use their own common sense which seems very lacking in those in charge and those advising. I'm sure someone on here will come up with a graph or two to prove me wrong ..... or try to. You missed out putting your life on the line 5 of 7 for some 30 years, mostly spent dealing with idiots ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Westward said: We would consider it grossly unfair if we were ordered to stay indoors simply because of our ages. The doctors know who's at risk and who isn't. Simples. That's part of the thing, it will be a blanket restriction if it happened, and many will feel they are being punished or abandoned, and will probably ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, AVB said: According to the Office for National Statistics the average age of a person dying of covid is 82.4 years. Whilst not trivialising the impact of covid it does reinforce my view that restrictions should be targeted at those more at risk rather than the wider population. +1 Edited October 9, 2020 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 What happened to 'All for one and one for all' It worked in the distant past when we were 'all in it together'. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 Also of last weeks deaths (59 iirc) the age range was 62-92 all with underlying medical conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Good shot? said: What happened to 'All for one and one for all' It worked in the distant past when we were 'all in it together'. 🙂 Because that's not the feeling, the young lads at work just don't think their going to be effected, I'm sure folk did back in March, but now? So many different rules across so many areas. Its certainly mostly the older folk who are seriously affected but everyone is being restricted in what they can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, blackbird said: +1 see you have edited it.................the only thing that would make you happy ..is if all us old leg gassers went into the field and quietly put the gun barrells in our mouths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, ditchman said: see you have edited it.................the only thing that would make you happy ..is if all us old leg gassers went into the field and quietly put the gun barrells in our mouths Is that up there with window licking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Mice! said: Because that's not the feeling, the young lads at work just don't think their going to be effected, I'm sure folk did back in March, but now? So many different rules across so many areas. Its certainly mostly the older folk who are seriously affected but everyone is being restricted in what they can do. I agree that that is a widespread feeling among the younger population, but all these younger people surely have older friends, colleagues and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Good shot? said: I agree that that is a widespread feeling among the younger population, but all these younger people surely have older friends, colleagues and family. Many younger lads have said that those at risk should stay home, it's not going to affect us, you can see their logic but it's very much a we'll be alright attitude. But we must be getting to the point where that's going to happen, the over 70s will get told to stay home and isolate while everyone else gets back to work? I can't imagine it working because why will they want to be house bound, but what's the alternative?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 If the so called young (or anyone else not sticking to the rules) continue to avoid social distancing etc that means all vulnerable people and over 70s will have to self isolate for ever. Sorry, but forever is not a long time for most of the vulnerable. An effective vaccine should not take forever to be found and the young should cooperate fully until then. Having said that, I agree what you are saying will unfortunately happen but I obviously disagree with it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) I just can’t see the problem the elderly & vulnerable go into self isolation if they want & the rest of us crack on with our lives, what if it takes 20yrs to find a vaccine? The elderly have had their lives now don’t be so selfish & let the rest of us have ours. tin hat on . Edited October 10, 2020 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, blackbird said: I just can’t see the problem the elderly & vulnerable go into self isolation if they want & the rest of us crack on with our lives, what if it takes 20yrs to find a vaccine? The elderly have had their lives now don’t be so selfish & let the rest of us have ours. tin hat on . With your responses on a number of subjects, you will need more than a tin hat.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackbird said: I just can’t see the problem the elderly & vulnerable go into self isolation if they want & the rest of us crack on with our lives, what if it takes 20yrs to find a vaccine? The elderly have had their lives now don’t be so selfish & let the rest of us have ours. tin hat on . I'm coming round to that opinion too, especially with the university students who are bound to feel sort of let off their parents leash. They can let rip and get infected but not go home to their older relatives at Christmas. EDIT: Its muddy waters for office and factory workers though. must be a nightmare to try and find the best path because there are so many conflicting aspects it will always be wrong for many. Edited October 10, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, blackbird said: I just can’t see the problem the elderly & vulnerable go into self isolation if they want & the rest of us crack on with our lives, what if it takes 20yrs to find a vaccine? The elderly have had their lives now don’t be so selfish & let the rest of us have ours. tin hat on . The elderly have had their lives now and they shouldn’t be so selfish? Really? So their lives are worth less than someone who is younger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Duckandswing said: The elderly have had their lives now and they shouldn’t be so selfish? Really? So their lives are worth less than someone who is younger? It’s the reality and there are many examples where young people take priority. Doctors will fight tooth and nail to save the life of a youngster but DNR notices are common amongst the elderly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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