Uk response so far (and EU)

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, TRINITY said:

I think Sputnik is a strange name to give a vaccine but like you say it seems to do the job.

However of they called it the LADA vaccine I would not go near the stuff

People also ask

What does the name Sputnik mean?

The Russian word sputnik is derived from the word put (pronounced poot) which means a way or path. The prefix s- means co- and the suffix -nik makes it a person. So lit literally means “co-wayfarer”.

 

I suppose they could have used the word for 'newcomer' AKA novichok 

[JohnfromUK]

I heard on the radio today that there is now a very clear reduction in Covid cases in Israel, one of the few countries who were well ahead of us in vaccination, that the vaccines are really working, and in the same report, that there is beginning to be evidence here that it is working.  The expert said we should see the reduction very clearly by the end of February.  All good news.

However - later in the same programme, it was reported that vaccination centres in Hackney in London are closing early because no one is turning up to appointments.  There are apparently rumours being spread around that the vaccine contains pork products, or has other 'non allowed' aspects for various religions, and is an attempt by the government to harm the BAME community.  If we end up with community clusters with a high proportion of non vaccinated vulnerable people, this (when we eventually get restrictions lifted) will lead to high disease clusters and the risk of more mutations in the virus.

There seems to be a reluctance by the 'community leaders and influencers' to take a lead in driving forward the vaccination programme in those communities.  The BBC even had the legendary Diane Abbott (who I believe is MP for Hackney?) - but she was only keen on blaming the government - though it wasn't clear why she thought it was their fault!

[discobob]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

the legendary Diane Abbott (who I believe is MP for Hackney?) - but she was only keen on blaming the government - though it wasn't clear why she thought it was their fault!

She is never clear on anything - especially Maths though.

I heard a cracker that said she had to put her hands down her top to count to two 

[Rewulf]

43 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

There are apparently rumours being spread around that the vaccine contains pork products, or has other 'non allowed' aspects for various religions, and is an attempt by the government to harm the BAME community. 

Who knew , the BAME community are secret tin foilers ? 

Joking apart, I can confirm many of my , more 'diverse' friends and customers are echoing this very line of thinking.
Ive not heard the pork one, but they do feel like theres something not quite right with the vaccine.
One friend (Pakistani)  , whos mother is 80 and housebound, flatly refuses to have it, she has a multitude of health problems already, and Ive told him, if she catches it shes as good as gone.
The usual retort is 'If thats Allahs will...'  
I said leave her to it.

On another note, I got offered a vaccine last week, a friend said he could put me down for one this Thursday, as an employee at his nursing home.
I will have one , when Im called ,as I dont think you will be able to go anywhere or do anything if you dont, but it didnt feel right taking someones jab , who may be more deserving/needy, so I declined.
But I bet theres plenty going on like that, black market ect.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Simples, moves those of us who want it up the queue if they don't.

[Rewulf]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Simples, moves those of us who want it up the queue if they don't.

Definitely !

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

But I bet theres plenty going on like that

Interesting:  Our local area FaceBook 'noticeboard' seems to be mostly posted on by early middle and middle aged females - and much is about school buses, lost kids sports kit etc.  However - it seems that many of the good ladies are both 'medically exempt' where masks are concerned and have all be crowing about having had their jabs.  Not sure how it all works, but like you, I'll be there when my invite comes, but not before.

2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Simples, moves those of us who want it up the queue if they don't.

Agreed - but not so good when we all remain locked down because of reluctant high infection rates in 'inner city pockets' .......

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Interesting:  Our local area FaceBook 'noticeboard' seems to be mostly posted on by early middle and middle aged females - and much is about school buses, lost kids sports kit etc.  However - it seems that many of the good ladies are both 'medically exempt' where masks are concerned and have all be crowing about having had their jabs.  Not sure how it all works, but like you, I'll be there when my invite comes, but not before.

Agreed - but not so good when we all remain locked down because of reluctant high infection rates in 'inner city pockets' .......

Fair point, but if they really don't want to be vaccinated then how are you going to convince them?

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Fair point, but if they really don't want to be vaccinated then how are you going to convince them?

I think that their local community leaders need to take the lead.  Abbott says they don't trust the government, so the local 'influencers' need to step up.  problem is - we are also told that the mutations tend to occur in those who have the infection for a long time and have poor immunity, which allows high viral loads - with a higher chance of a mutation.  Hence the plan was to vaccinate those high risk people early - but that won't work if they won't have a vaccine.

[clangerman]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

On another note, I got offered a vaccine last week, a friend said he could put me down for one this Thursday, as an employee at his nursing home.
I will have one , when Im called but it didnt feel right taking someones jab , who may be more deserving/needy, so I declined.

good on you those abusing the system are the lowest of the low 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

 

On another note, I got offered a vaccine last week, a friend said he could put me down for one this Thursday, as an employee at his nursing home.
I will have one , when Im called ,as I dont think you will be able to go anywhere or do anything if you dont, but it didnt feel right taking someones jab , who may be more deserving/needy, so I declined.
But I bet theres plenty going on like that, black market ect.

I can understand where you’re coming from, but as an employee at a nursing home then you ARE deserving, and totally justified in accepting it. 
My ex is a cleaner at the local clinic and rarely comes into contact with anyone whilst there, but she had hers at the age of 55, some weeks ago now. 

[timps]

I watched a program with a medical professional (can’t remember her qualifications but I’m sure she was a doctor)who was involved with the government vaccine program.

She explained it quite simply, the media are fixated with the percentage protection with regards to catching COVID that gave mild or no symptoms, which with one dose are low compared to two doses. However,  the same studies revealed that the single dose vaccine was still 100% effective in stopping hospitalisation and / or death which is the main criteria for a vaccine.

So with the one vaccine strategy you will have a greater percentage of the  population who are vaccinated suffering mild symptoms however overall you will have a greater percentage of the population vaccinated so more people are protected from hospitalisation and death.

So based on that the one dose to vaccinate more people quickly makes sense to me.

Edited February 8, 2021 by timps

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, timps said:

So based on that the one dose to vaccinate more people quickly makes sense to me.

And to me.

[Rewulf]

42 minutes ago, Scully said:

I can understand where you’re coming from, but as an employee at a nursing home then you ARE deserving, and totally justified in accepting it. 
My ex is a cleaner at the local clinic and rarely comes into contact with anyone whilst there, but she had hers at the age of 55, some weeks ago now. 

Just to clarify , I dont work in a nursing home .

I do body repairs for the nursing home owners car at my garage, quite often, as hes the worst driver I've ever seen 😃

He asked me if I wanted it , but at 53 , with no serious health issues, I'd rather wait my turn.

What I'm getting at , is this  type of fraudulent queue jumping  probably quite common ?

[old man]

On 07/02/2021 at 12:48, Westward said:

Well that depends on the level of protection from the 1st dose. I'd rather have everyone getting 60-70% protection than half the population getting 80-90% because there's data coming out that the 1st dose not only makes the illness less destructive but also reduces the reduces transmission. And in the last analysis that's the only way we can get out this Covid fertiliser as throwing the entire economy under the bus to "Save the NHS" doesn't solve anything.

[Scully]

22 minutes ago, timps said:

I watched a program with a medical professional (can’t remember her qualifications but I’m sure she was a doctor)who was involved with the government vaccine program.

She explained it quite simply, the media are fixated with the percentage protection with regards to catching COVID that gave mild or no symptoms, which with one dose are low compared to two doses. However,  the same studies revealed that the single dose vaccine was still 100% effective in stopping hospitalisation and / or death which is the main criteria for a vaccine.

So with the one vaccine strategy you will have a greater percentage of the  population who are vaccinated suffering mild symptoms however overall you will have a greater percentage of the population vaccinated so more people are protected from hospitalisation and death.

So based on that the one dose to vaccinate more people quickly makes sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me too.  

9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Just to clarify , I dont work in a nursing home .

I do body repairs for the nursing home owners car at my garage, quite often, as hes the worst driver I've ever seen 😃

He asked me if I wanted it , but at 53 , with no serious health issues, I'd rather wait my turn.

What I'm getting at , is this  type of fraudulent queue jumping  probably quite common ?

Fair enough. 👍

I know of one or two whom have had the vaccine in their late 40’s, but both were contacted through the proper channels. Neither have any underlying health issues nor essential workers, so I’m not sure why they were offered it, and neither are they! 🤷‍♂️

[clangerman]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

 

What I'm getting at , is this  type of fraudulent queue jumping  probably quite common ?

more than common staff at the right level with daughters employer booking jabs in droves the elderly and sick need more 

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, timps said:

So based on that the one dose to vaccinate more people quickly makes sense to me.

It seems the WHO are now coming round to this view too.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236483/UK-praised-brave-decision-delay-second-Covid-vaccine-doses-chief.html

 

[bluesj]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

I know of one or two whom have had the vaccine in their late 40’s, but both were contacted through the proper channels. Neither have any underlying health issues nor essential workers, so I’m not sure why they were offered it, and neither are they! 🤷‍♂️

For some its just being in the right place at the right time, I know of someone that got the jab because he was doing some work at a doctors that were giving jabs and they had one left over and his was the only arm they could find. If he hadn't said yes the vaccine would have been wasted. 

[powler]

My wife works for a local surgery and if they are getting towards the end of the day and have some left they will ring around and get people in as sometimes they have a few jabs left over from people not turning up etc. Think they have a had a few patients with flat battery's with there cars being parked up with lockdown, anyways no jabs are wasted.

Not had mine as there are people more needy.

[Walker570]

On 07/02/2021 at 10:00, ditchman said:

The WHO............they are totally useless....they £2.9 billion /year.........for what.?????........all they do is to go on TV pontificate and use data from someone one else and make out they have done it........and thrash their expenses........

bunch of con artists....gravy train jockeys...........

Could not have put it better.

[Deker]

7 hours ago, Rewulf said:

On another note, I got offered a vaccine last week, a friend said he could put me down for one this Thursday, as an employee at his nursing home.
I will have one , when Im called ,as I dont think you will be able to go anywhere or do anything if you dont, but it didnt feel right taking someones jab , who may be more deserving/needy, so I declined.
But I bet theres plenty going on like that, black market ect.

 

I know that some people are getting offered them if the original patient doesn't turn up (11 no shows at one place today) as the vaccines have a 6 hour 'shelf life' once mixed so rather than waste them if someone is able to be bumped up the queue then it's done

[Vince Green]

On 07/02/2021 at 10:40, sam triple said:

Yes but what he /she said has probably been manipulated, I believe nothing on main stream media, I prefer to read Russia today 

Wow! thats going to get you a balanced view on life

7 minutes ago, Deker said:

 

I know that some people are getting offered them if the original patient doesn't turn up (11 no shows at one place today) as the vaccines have a 6 hour 'shelf life' once mixed so rather than waste them if someone is able to be bumped up the queue then it's done

At Truro they have "standby" appointments. You can turn up at the end of the day and if there are vaccines left over its first come first served. My BIL and SIL went along and both got done

[Gordon R]

If it is done honestly, I have no problem with anyone getting a vaccine, which would otherwise be binned. However, I would be more than concerned if vaccine appointments were manipulated to ensure there were always "spare" vaccines at the end of the day.

[mel b3]

7 hours ago, Gordon R said:

If it is done honestly, I have no problem with anyone getting a vaccine, which would otherwise be binned. However, I would be more than concerned if vaccine appointments were manipulated to ensure there were always "spare" vaccines at the end of the day.

This is exactly how i feel Gordon  , and its probably the way that all decent people see it  ,  it's the queue jumpers that might ultimately put another more needy person at risk that are so upsetting.