Italy

[JohnfromUK]

6 hours ago, 39TDS said:

Just puzzled why from the evidence so far presented why any of the vaccinations have been halted.

It's a political thing.  There was a dispute over the contract with AZ (when they were later in delivering than requested).  Lawyers opinion was that AZ were 'in the right' and the EU had drafted the contract poorly.  The EU is now taking its revenge in a very childish way by trying to tarnish AZ's product. 

The crazy part is that people will worry (due to entirely false 'rumours') and possibly refuse the AZ vaccine ......... and that will prolong the peak that is filling their hospitals, and cost EU lives and cause more EU lockdowns for longer.

The winner is the virus, the losers - every EU citizen.

[Smokersmith]

And is, who will have any holiday options delayed!

[Vince Green]

8 hours ago, Jim Neal said:

That chart is meaningless and deceptive.  It's yet another example of someone trying to fool idiots with statistics.  It's comparing raw numbers of cases, not numbers PER CAPITA.

If you added, let's say, India to that list with its 1.4Bn population and India's cases were 14K, you'd think that covid was as bad in India as it is in Turkey who've also got 14k cases, right?  Wrong.  Because 14,000 cases in India is 0.00001% of their population, whereas Turkey's got it roughly 16 times as bad divided by their comparatively measly 85 million population.

 

You can't use India as an example of anything, one way or another, because nobody knows (not even the Indian Government) what is going on in the rural areas. They don't have a unified healthcare system. So no centralised way of reporting back or collating figures.

Much the same in Africa, last year people were saying how come Africa doesn't seem to be affected? Clearly it was but no way of recording the numbers. 

[JohnfromUK]

Ursula Von Der Leyden is now once again threatening to disrupt vaccine supplies to the UK and demanding the UK release more AZ vaccines - this despite the fact that 19 countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, have halted the use of AstraZeneca jabs over fears they cause blood clots - and yet the EU's own regulator, the EMA has already insisted twice - once last week and once on Tuesday - that any risks from AstraZeneca's vaccine are far outweighed by the benefits and that there is no reason to stop using it.

They have made an utter and total shambles out of their whole vaccines programme - from late orders, poorly written contracts, false rumours about efficacy for older people, false rumours about blood clots, stopping use of AZ - and having done all that - now trying to disrupt the supplies to more organised countries such as Australia and ourselves.

They are actually killing their own people through their halfwitted ideas and shambolic programme.  Thank goodness we are out of that mess.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Bloody stupid woman!

[Smokersmith]

 

[Newbie to this]

6 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Ursula Von Der Leyden is now once again threatening to disrupt vaccine supplies to the UK and demanding the UK release more AZ vaccines - this despite the fact that 19 countries, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain, have halted the use of AstraZeneca jabs over fears they cause blood clots - and yet the EU's own regulator, the EMA has already insisted twice - once last week and once on Tuesday - that any risks from AstraZeneca's vaccine are far outweighed by the benefits and that there is no reason to stop using it.

They have made an utter and total shambles out of their whole vaccines programme - from late orders, poorly written contracts, false rumours about efficacy for older people, false rumours about blood clots, stopping use of AZ - and having done all that - now trying to disrupt the supplies to more organised countries such as Australia and ourselves.

They are actually killing their own people through their halfwitted ideas and shambolic programme.  Thank goodness we are out of that mess.

And apparently now threatening to sieze control of the vaccine manufacturing plants. 

[Vince Green]

14 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

And apparently now threatening to sieze control of the vaccine manufacturing plants. 

Thats the EU for you

[ordnance]

As i thought.  The problem with the EU playing politics with the vaccine even with this outcome, the damage is already done. 

 

Quote

 

A review by the EU's medicines regulator has concluded the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is "safe and effective".

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) investigated after 13 EU states suspended use of the vaccine over fears of a link to blood clots. It found the jab was "not associated" with a higher risk of clots.

Italy announced it would resume using the jab on Friday while Sweden said it needed a "few days" to decide.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by ordnance

[Westward]

7 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Thats the EU for you

The EU is a dictatorship. The so-called parliament is a toothless talking shop with all the decisions being made by unelected, unaccountable appointed Mandarins led by a bullying, power crazed loudmouth . (Pretty much like Scotland!)

[bruno22rf]

Am I being a little over zealous here or could the EU attempt at blocking our legitimate supply of the vaccine be a strong case for threat of military action (assuming, of course,that we can find a suitable body of men( not stripped by consecutive governments diminishing their ability to mount a threat) and organise a stand off.The EU is almost begging for an iron response.

[oscarsdad]

19 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

Am I being a little over zealous here or could the EU attempt at blocking our legitimate supply of the vaccine be a strong case for threat of military action (assuming, of course,that we can find a suitable body of men( not stripped by consecutive governments diminishing their ability to mount a threat) and organise a stand off.The EU is almost begging for an iron response.

How hard can it be? 
 

The Germans have already lost twice. The French will surrender immediately before British troops have even done their boots up. The Italians will grumble then switch sides to join us and the smaller EU members only have a few pointy sticks and rocks to Chuck. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by oscarsdad

[Vince Green]

24 minutes ago, Westward said:

The EU is a dictatorship. The so-called parliament is a toothless talking shop with all the decisions being made by unelected, unaccountable appointed Mandarins led by a bullying, power crazed loudmouth . (Pretty much like Scotland!)

You are right about the European Parliament, it has absolutely no power at all. People think they run the EU but in reality it is a complete side show, and a very expensive one at that.

Its bizarre. like something out of the Hunger Games or similar. This huge meaningless pantomime. Why the pretence?

What it suggests to me is that right from the very start somebody had an agenda to create the illusion of a democratic union that was in reality nothing of the sort. Thats a bit of a smoking gun when you see how things turned out subsequently.

Red House Conspiracy anyone?    

Edited March 18, 2021 by Vince Green

[Westward]

The EU is structured exactly like the USSR. It may have been intended to be generally benign, which of course the Soviet Union wasn't, but there are worrying signs that the ever increasing centralised power base has little interest in national or personal freedoms if they get in the way of what they perceive as a great project.

[discobob]

There is a series on Netflix called "The Tribes of Europa" set in a future where the world has collapsed into a violent tribal culture. There is one force though that is for good - and it was the survivors of the European Army (or whatever they are calling it as of a few months ago) - It wouldn't surprise me if it was funded in part by the EU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Europa#:~:text=Tribes of Europa is a,Netflix on 19 February 2021.

[oscarsdad]

33 minutes ago, discobob said:

There is a series on Netflix called "The Tribes of Europa" set in a future where the world has collapsed into a violent tribal culture. There is one force though that is for good - and it was the survivors of the European Army (or whatever they are calling it as of a few months ago) - It wouldn't surprise me if it was funded in part by the EU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Europa#:~:text=Tribes of Europa is a,Netflix on 19 February 2021.

And it’s unwatchable due to awful dubbing. 

[discobob]

53 minutes ago, oscarsdad said:

And it’s unwatchable due to awful dubbing. 

A lot of them are - prefer to watch in original language with subtitles 

[Jim Neal]

On 17/03/2021 at 10:19, Vince Green said:

You can't use India as an example of anything, one way or another, because nobody knows (not even the Indian Government) what is going on in the rural areas. They don't have a unified healthcare system. So no centralised way of reporting back or collating figures.

Much the same in Africa, last year people were saying how come Africa doesn't seem to be affected? Clearly it was but no way of recording the numbers. 

🙄 You've completely missed the point.  I was using India simply as an example of a massive population; the 14k was just a hypothetical suggestion.  We don't need to know about their healthcare or rural shortcomings, just that their population is circa 1.4Bn.

Quantities of something can be defined as totals, percentages or ratios. Charts like the above, and all other so-called statistics which I take exception to, use totals which is idiotic and meaningless because the populations of countries vary dramatically.  14k people in India is loose change down the back of the sofa compared to 14k people in the principality of San Marino.

The only meaningful way of comparing how countries are affected is by stating the numbers per capita, a fact which seems to evade a lot of people.

Kapich?

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Jim Neal

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Good to see the EU countries are to reinstate the Oxford - Astra Zeneca vaccine on Friday.

 

What a pointless, groundless fuss.

 

Sweden apparently needs more time to decide.

[39TDS]

On 17/03/2021 at 06:58, JohnfromUK said:

It's a political thing.  There was a dispute over the contract with AZ (when they were later in delivering than requested).  Lawyers opinion was that AZ were 'in the right' and the EU had drafted the contract poorly.  The EU is now taking its revenge in a very childish way by trying to tarnish AZ's product. 

The crazy part is that people will worry (due to entirely false 'rumours') and possibly refuse the AZ vaccine ......... and that will prolong the peak that is filling their hospitals, and cost EU lives and cause more EU lockdowns for longer.

The winner is the virus, the losers - every EU citizen.

I agree and also concluded it was an attempt to hide the fact they had run out anyway and may as well shift the blame elsewhere.

[JohnfromUK]

33 minutes ago, 39TDS said:

to hide the fact they had run out

They are alleged to have 40% of the total AZ doses received held in store ..........

[Yellow Bear]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

They are alleged to have 40% of the total AZ doses received held in store ..........

That is the second dose for all the Brussels b'eurocrats and heads of states

[TRINITY]

18 hours ago, oscarsdad said:

How hard can it be? 
 

The Germans have already lost twice. The French will surrender immediately before British troops have even done their boots up. The Italians will grumble then switch sides to join us and the smaller EU members only have a few pointy sticks and rocks to Chuck. 

Nah disagree. Times have changed since then. We are all woke now. All they need to do is call us nasty names and we will just concede with depression and stress. Those not affected by name calling will not fight back for fear of upsetting the enemy's feelings and being perceived as nasty.

[Gu5]

So the Germans are now blaming their upcoming third wave entirely on the ‘British variant’ - no mention of their totally inefficient vaccination programme. 

[Yellow Bear]

27 minutes ago, Gu5 said:

So the Germans are now blaming their upcoming third wave entirely on the ‘British variant’ - no mention of their totally inefficient vaccination programme. 

Nothing surprises me WRT how low the EU will stoop having lost and then failed.