TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 You really couldn't fault their logic, apparently the British Tax Payer will be paying for the Covid Pandemic for many years! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57958178 I'm so glad these paragons of virtue are on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretlurcher1970 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 That's amazing news. Any fool knows that No doubt there will be a very expensive inquiry taking years, to come up with that same answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ferretlurcher1970 said: No doubt there will be a very expensive inquiry taking years, to come up with that same answer You know the Lieboor party will demand it, jobs for the boys and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) China caused this to happen. They are the people who should be paying for it. All of it, are those who were responsible for all of it. The Chinese Government. Which could easily be done by tariffs on goods from China that we no longer can produce in the UK, the USA, the EU and Etc. Which could be hand tools...screwdrivers, hammers, wrenches and such then other such wares where China now produces maybe 90% to 95% of those now sold. Then extend it to cheap laptops, cheap mobile telephones, cheap calculators and so on. I understand that whilst we can't as such levy goods on a country (as the fool Johnson maybe didn't realise when he though he could get such deals post-Brexit) but we can levy goods if the happy coincidence is that one country now manufactures most of those now sold throughput the world. China must be made to pay. Edited July 25, 2021 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretlurcher1970 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57937174 Bit like this made my blood boil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 we new from the start, that we would pay for it,who eles would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 China is building coal fired power stations adding to global warming and we have to pay green tarriffs on energy bills Why can we not put pollution tarriffs on their goods brought round the world by ships oil fuelled This should be the way to go as they caused the pandemic a ploy to bankrupt the west? .They should pay not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 I agree, but who is going to make China pay? China has already stated some time ago that it will prevent at all costs any foreign attempt to interfere with its economy. It ain’t gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 We, as individuals, and as my parents once did (because of WWII) with Japanese goods, can choose in 2021 to refuse to buy Chinese made goods where an alternative is available. And where one is not to contact the company that sells such by letter or email and ask why they do not stock a non-Chinese made alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) Hello, would China worry if we boycott buying their goods ?, I doubt it, they manufacture 90 percent of all the cheaper end items we buy as our manufacturing has gone to the wall, we cannot get much from USA due to tariffs, shame as have some good quality gear, as Scully mentioned their economy is riding high and will soon be number 1 above USA, am afraid we will have to ride the Covid storm and take the cost for years to come. Edited July 25, 2021 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: We, as individuals, and as my parents once did (because of WWII) with Japanese goods, can choose in 2021 to refuse to buy Chinese made goods where an alternative is available. And where one is not to contact the company that sells such by letter or email and ask why they do not stock a non-Chinese made alternative. Times and especially people have changed drastically. Can you see Mr and Mrs Chav paying £50-100 more for a non Chinese product now? People won't even pay 50p more for some UK grown lamb chops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: You really couldn't fault their logic, apparently the British Tax Payer will be paying for the Covid Pandemic for many years! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57958178 I'm so glad these paragons of virtue are on the ball. Also the left wing politicians of the country will be in uproar over the government spending on the covid outbreak. However when the government decide to tackle this debt, the left wing will still be in uproar over government not spending enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 hours ago, armsid said: China is building coal fired power stations adding to global warming and we have to pay green tarriffs on energy bills Why can we not put pollution tarriffs on their goods brought round the world by ships oil fuelled This should be the way to go as they caused the pandemic a ploy to bankrupt the west? .They should pay not us. 👍 all for this. The EU are proposing to start this process. They have a fair bit of legal stuff to sort so won't be quick. We are too small a market and need more Trade deals but have to put tighter controls in place to meet our climate change promises, so fingers crossed. 3 hours ago, enfieldspares said: We, as individuals, and as my parents once did (because of WWII) with Japanese goods, can choose in 2021 to refuse to buy Chinese made goods where an alternative is available. And where one is not to contact the company that sells such by letter or email and ask why they do not stock a non-Chinese made alternative. Doing my utmost on this but its not easy. China relies on growth and can be brought to heel over climate change objectives and subsequent drop in global demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 22 hours ago, enfieldspares said: China must be made to pay. Am I missing something fundamental here? You think we should levy tariffs on goods, which will immediately be passed on the consumer? So the person buying the goods is forced to pay more? How, exactly, will China end up paying for this? The end consumer will end up paying. If you mean by levying tariffs, we'll somehow end up lowering demand for Chinese products, well, the list of reasons as to why that is flawed thinking is long. Very long, but I will just start with the words 'global' and 'supply chains'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Why not. ? At some point soon we have to pay for the true price of goods including carbon cost. Let's start with plastic tat and move on. We must consume less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 I'll tell you something, if China didn't cause this on purpose, they will next time as its benefited them greatly and there has been absolutely zero consequences for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) When, in November 2019, Trump started rattling his sabre at China and threatening a trade war with China somebody in the US administration managed to convince Trump that it would be a war the US would not win. The evidence must have been pretty convincing because Trump dropped it like a hot potato. The truth is if China stopped supplying goods to America, the American economy would grind to a halt, The US is an economy based totally on consumerism and China has very cleverly made itself indispensable. So dependent now is the US on Chinese made goods it cant do without them. China on the other hand could afford to sit out a trade embargo for months and months. Being communist they can just order the factories to close down and nobody in China would dare to complain I suspect China is pretty much untouchable. I personally believe 100% the virus escaped from the the lab in Wuhan through lax safety procedures. Its far too much of a coincidence for it to be anything else but the truth However, China will never allow it to be investigated . Edited July 26, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: When, in November 2019, Trump started rattling his sabre at China and threatening a trade war with China somebody in the US administration managed to convince Trump that it would be a war the US would not win. The evidence must have been pretty convincing because Trump dropped it like a hot potato. The truth is if China stopped supplying goods to America, the American economy would grind to a halt, The US is an economy based totally on consumerism and China has very cleverly made itself indispensable. So dependent now is the US on Chinese made goods it cant do without them. China on the other hand could afford to sit out a trade embargo for months and months. Being communist they can just order the factories to close down and nobody in China would dare to complain I suspect China is pretty much untouchable. I personally believe 100% the virus escaped from the the lab in Wuhan through lax safety procedures. Its far too much of a coincidence for it to be anything else but the truth However, China will never allow it to be investigated . On your point about the virus release. I fully agree and practically everyone I know believed the virus came out of the lab from the beginning, the only question in my mind from the start has, was it an accident? Or on purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: On your point about the virus release. I fully agree and practically everyone I know believed the virus came out of the lab from the beginning, the only question in my mind from the start has, was it an accident? Or on purpose? I think it was an accident, if then had released it on purpose they wouldn't have done it there on their own doorstep. Probably not in China at all, somewhere deniable like Africa maybe?. But then AIDs and Ebola both appeared out of nowhere in Africa, it makes you wonder? The big smoking gun is that cases of a previously unknown bat virus just happened to break out in the immediate vicinity of a lab doing research into - guess what! - bat viruses. Thats no coincidence Edited July 27, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 27/07/2021 at 10:41, Vince Green said: The big smoking gun is that cases of a previously unknown bat virus just happened to break out in the immediate vicinity of a lab doing research into - guess what! - bat viruses. Thats no coincidence Old thread , but I found this interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 Nothing Russell brand says is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 On 16/10/2021 at 19:12, ordnance said: Nothing Russell brand says is interesting. I used to think that, Ill go as far as to say his commentary was that bad , and cant get the description past the swear filter. But hes changed, its a humourous take on serious subjects, with some pretty good research. If you cant be bothered to watch it, fair enough, if you dont agree with it , thats fine, but dont not watch it because you find him annoying, he makes excellent points from a fairly unique perspective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYG7E0xTgY8 Also a video from much respected immunologist John Campbell on the origin of covid, his other stuff is also very interesting, and very impartial, a refreshing quality in these times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHazL7-EyDA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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