Channel Migrants

[armsid]

Surely the French and the Border control and RNLI are no different to people traffickers aiding illegal entry to the UK hard hat on

[12gauge82]

7 hours ago, henry d said:

Don't twist that! How can you possibly know what the people want?

Your a fine one to talk about that after advocating ignoring the Brexit referendum result. 

Its very obvious the vast majority of the UK want illegal immigrants prevented from entering, particularly via dingy. In fact any sensible person would, even looney extreme leftists should, what right thinking person wants to see a repeat of 27 people drowning, if they're not stopped, it will happen again and again. 

[Robden]

7 hours ago, armsid said:

Surely the French and the Border control and RNLI are no different to people traffickers aiding illegal entry to the UK hard hat on

Agreed. If the migrants are 'illegal' then they are commiting a crime.  "Aiding and abetting is a legal doctrine related to the guilt of someone who aids or abets another person in the commission of a crime. It exists in a number of different countries and generally allows a court to pronounce someone guilty for aiding and abetting in a crime even if they are not the principal offender."

[henry d]

Which begs the questions; when is something illegal, perhaps only when caught and processed? Of which of these, "the French" (? what on earth?) Border control and RNLI are actually capable of telling who is committing a crime? Where is the common sense in it?

[12gauge82]

3 minutes ago, henry d said:

Which begs the questions; when is something illegal, perhaps only when caught and processed? Of which of these, "the French" (? what on earth?) Border control and RNLI are actually capable of telling who is committing a crime? Where is the common sense in it?

Entering the UK via a dingy is illegal. That's the end of that debate. Helping someone to do something illegal should also be illegal. 

Take a look at this, pay particular attention to the end and listen to all the attacks that have occurred by people who have come to this country. Now imagine you were one of the families of those affected by these terrorists and try arguing your case for allowing these illegal entries to continue. 

I'm sure you'll just cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and continue to preach how we all need to be more tolerant, whilst innocent people continue being slaughtered and blown to bits by a very tiny but very real minority of illegal immigrants, who pass unvetted and unchecked through our borders in dingys and via other means. 

https://youtu.be/ppdvvLz6jTw

[Vince Green]

33 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Entering the UK via a dingy is illegal. 

Try doing that in America and see how you get treated

The thing is. if we returned them all to France pretty soon they would stop coming to the French channel ports trying to get across and France's problem would be solved as well. It would take some time for the message to get through but once it did  it would kill the trade

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, Vince Green said:

Try doing that in America and see how you get treated

The thing is. if we returned them all to France pretty soon they would stop coming to the French channel ports trying to get across and France's problem would be solved as well. It would take some time for the message to get through but once it did  it would kill the trade

Vince I can hear the engines starting on the squadron of flying pigs!

 

It will NOT happen, far too many are keen to see these illegal immigrants homed here.

[Gordon R]

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Which begs the questions; when is something illegal, perhaps only when caught and processed? 

henry d - you have surpassed yourself. Is murder only illegal when someone is caught and processed?

[Dave-G]

13 hours ago, henry d said:

Don't twist that! How can you possibly know what the people want?

Just read some social media comments - you don't get more common than that. lol.

I think its a hotter topic than Brexit ever was. Bojo had better pull his finger out.

[Rewulf]

45 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

henry d - you have surpassed yourself. Is murder only illegal when someone is caught and processed?

You just saved me some typing , what kind of rationale thinks something is illegal only if youre caught and convicted ?

When a party calls the coastguard to come and pick them up, when they are not even in distress, and especially when theyve managed to make it  'strangely'  past the demarcation line in the Channel, so that French coastguard doesnt pick them up and return them to France (I do believe there are many instances where French border force or coastguard have been witnessed escorting them OVER the demarcation line, and being met by British border force) then we have a clear case of conspiracy to aid and abet people trafficking ?

Dress it up how you like , French policy is to aid them on their way to the UK , and UK policy is to bend over and let them get on with it , we even pay them millions for the privilege !

Thousands a week , all requiring accommodation , feeding , interpreters and legal aid.

We cant house what we have , provide medical care for what we have, and afford the social state that grows more and more expensive.
But when anyone points out the failings in this ludicrous system , you get called an uncaring racist.

This is why I keep pointing out the EUs behaviour in Poland, they are happy to sit and watch them freeze to death, or cut themselves to pieces on razor wire, while gassing them and shooting the odd baton round at them.
How dare Belarus send them over the border from squalid camps !!?

Yet France are happy to send THEIR refugees over to us in paddling pools, and thats all justified and proper.
Lets get this straight, those that drowned, died on the French side of the Channel, France knew they were setting off, and are more than culpable for those deaths , not us , because we didnt get there quick enough, where is the condemnation ?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1523597/Migrant-crossings-france-police-uk-english-channel

[12gauge82]

Gordon and Rewulf spot on. 

[henry d]

On 04/12/2021 at 11:18, Dave-G said:

Just read some social media comments - you don't get more common than that. lol.

I think its a hotter topic than Brexit ever was. Bojo had better pull his finger out.

Just because you see a few posts doesn't mean that "the people" en masse want something lots of opinions differ but are not posted up and I would say that the vast majority just can't be bothered.

On 04/12/2021 at 11:11, Gordon R said:

henry d - you have surpassed yourself. Is murder only illegal when someone is caught and processed?

Not about murder, it's in the context of this topic. If what they are doing is illegal then it is at point of entry of a so called safe country however they are allowed to continue so the term illegal is a moot point and just used to denigrate these people.

[old man]

33 minutes ago, henry d said:

Just because you see a few posts doesn't mean that "the people" en masse want something lots of opinions differ but are not posted up and I would say that the vast majority just can't be bothered.

Not about murder, it's in the context of this topic. If what they are doing is illegal then it is at point of entry of a so called safe country however they are allowed to continue so the term illegal is a moot point and just used to denigrate these people.

henry, maybe I misunderstand the opinion of most I speak to but their opinion seems against what is happening daily in the channel? Agreed lots don't give a fig?

Not sure of any legalities over this matter but legality seems to have become a tainted and largely  ignored way in this isle , starting at the top?

[Gordon R]

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If what they are doing is illegal then it is at point of entry

There is no "if". They are illegal immigrants. They should have applied to enter the UK whilst they were in France and opted for the legal route. They can't be bothered to do this, so enter illegally, then either apply for asylum or disappear into the ether.

[henry d]

4 hours ago, Gordon R said:

There is no "if". They are illegal immigrants. They should have applied to enter the UK whilst they were in France and opted for the legal route. They can't be bothered to do this, so enter illegally, then either apply for asylum or disappear into the ether.

Nah, not buying it, you have to be in the UK to claim asylum as far as I can see and the illegality of entry is a moot point anyway as they are unlikely to be prosecuted if they follow certain procedures under article 31 of the immigration and asylum act 1999. Here's a good guide to the legal ins and outs

[12gauge82]

16 minutes ago, henry d said:

Nah, not buying it, you have to be in the UK to claim asylum as far as I can see and the illegality of entry is a moot point anyway as they are unlikely to be prosecuted if they follow certain procedures under article 31 of the immigration and asylum act 1999. Here's a good guide to the legal ins and outs

You can buy it or not but there is no doubt entering the UK via dingy from France is illegal. 

Just because you don't want it to be doesn't change that FACT. 

[Gordon R]

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 illegality of entry is a moot point anyway as they are unlikely to be prosecuted

Since when has the likelihood of prosecution been the measure of illegality? You are clutching at straws. It's embarrassing.

PS. Before you posted the link, you might have taken the trouble to read it. 

[12gauge82]

What gets me is how all these woke people who believe we should all allow these economic migrants in. Now if that's what they want fine, but they should have to pay for them, house them, pay for their medical and dentistry, pay for additional road infrastructure, school places, policing, refuge collection, pensions that they'll never earn, wage suppression, judicial system. I could go on and on. The problem is, they won't, they expect us to pay for it all. 

[Dave-G]

4 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Since when has the likelihood of prosecution been the measure of illegality? You are clutching at straws. It's embarrassing.

PS. Before you posted the link, you might have taken the trouble to read it. 

I didn't like to mention that, wrote similar comments but din't hit the post button. 

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

What gets me is how all these woke people who believe we should all allow these economic migrants in. Now if that's what they want fine, but they should have to pay for them, house them, pay for their medical and dentistry, pay for additional road infrastructure, school places, policing, refuge collection, pensions that they'll never earn, wage suppression, judicial system. I could go on and on. The problem is, they won't, they expect us to pay for it all. 

Would they be wot I calls lefties who support anything to burden the country with - but working lefties have to pay that tax too? 

Edited December 6, 2021 by Dave-G

[Catweazle]

It's interesting how people keep writing that so-called "Lefties" want migrants,  when it's patently obvious that the working man doesn't want low-wage competition and business-owning employers do.

 

[Good shot?]

It seems to me that the ECHR overrides what a lot believe to be ‘illegal  immigrants’, and prevents the UK from certain actions to minimise or in fact stop these crossings.

 

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, Catweazle said:

It's interesting how people keep writing that so-called "Lefties" want migrants,  when it's patently obvious that the working man doesn't want low-wage competition and business-owning employers do.

 

Agreed, Brexit showed that the left and right divide has been eroded, people who traditionally voted Labour and cons have both had enough of uncontrolled immigration amongst other issues, it's why I used the word "woke" to describe those who live in cloud cuckoo land, as they believe everyone can be paid for by taking money from the magic money tree, if only everyone was as virchuous as them. 

[Catweazle]

It's often said that the British love the underdog,  but to be more accurate - the British love people who really try,  whether it's the footballer working hard on the wing or the roadsweeper clearing the gutter.

There is an ongoing narrative that the migrants arrive here in order to live their lives on benefits,  it might be true,  might not.  I haven't seen any evidence either way.

I think we'd be in a better position to accept migrants if we had some sort of assessment of abilities and placement in either training or work.  I can't think of a better way to find genuine asylum seekers than to see who is prepared to work in order to stay.

[scutt]

NO Government will stop this. Take a look at one sector of life in GB. Education is a very  big industry  turning out people with degrees .and many with the  attitude of being to good for manual work, even if its skilled. So to fill these  jobs you have to somehow  grow your workforce by letting boat people, winner👍 .         . Just think if potential uni students and lets face it the bar has been lowered to let most young people in to  uni    start to see a jobs market that requires plumbers electricians mechanics or even HGV drivers and offering a very good wage to attract people  from a smaller pool of workers instead of wracking up a large debt before getting the kind of work they think a degree will get for them maybe  by the age of 22. They could be earning good money from the age of 16 as an apprentice  and all that entails like growing up without being brainwashed by our education system with likes of critical race theory etc. 

Students are  the cash cow for academics, landlords, builders and banks.

[old man]

54 minutes ago, scutt said:

NO Government will stop this. Take a look at one sector of life in GB. Education is a very  big industry  turning out people with degrees .and many with the  attitude of being to good for manual work, even if its skilled. So to fill these  jobs you have to somehow  grow your workforce by letting boat people, winner👍 .         . Just think if potential uni students and lets face it the bar has been lowered to let most young people in to  uni    start to see a jobs market that requires plumbers electricians mechanics or even HGV drivers and offering a very good wage to attract people  from a smaller pool of workers instead of wracking up a large debt before getting the kind of work they think a degree will get for them maybe  by the age of 22. They could be earning good money from the age of 16 as an apprentice  and all that entails like growing up without being brainwashed by our education system with likes of critical race theory etc. 

Students are  the cash cow for academics, landlords, builders and banks.

Sadly very true. Education has been the tool to reduce unemployment figures for years?

One day we may just run out of money? What then?

We will just make some more?