oldypigeonpopper Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dave-G said: That's what the kerfuffle is/has been all about. Hello, ok , so if they don't joing NATO Putin won't start a conflict , not sure I would want to live in a country ruled by Putin 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Good old Nigel Farage put it concisely today on youtube. Pull back any suggestion of Ukraine or any other of those eastern Europeans joining Nato, Nato has alreay pushed up the Baltic and surrounded a small part of Russia.. To do so is a sure sign of aggression to Putin and to withdraw that offer would take away any legitimate reason for him to invade, The main aggressores are the EU who have pushed into eastern Europe attempting to build their 'Empire'. Also bear in mind that Putin has made close friends with China recently and they are looking to do a similar thing with Taiwan. Edited February 14, 2022 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 What part of ‘You can’t just go around invading Countries’ in this day and age, because you feel like it or don’t like what they may or may not, be doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratlegs Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 Johnson and London mayor are a bigger threat to us If Putin was coming over he wouldn't have waited for the Nato build up, he would have been over at Christmas If it comes to a punch up, put Johnson in the ring with Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, Ratlegs said: Johnson and London mayor are a bigger threat to us If Putin was coming over he wouldn't have waited for the Nato build up, he would have been over at Christmas If it comes to a punch up, put Johnson in the ring with Putin Hello, Liz Truss as referee 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Ratlegs said: If it comes to a punch up, put Johnson in the ring with Putin And that’s the thing isn’t it! If disputes were sorted out between the leaders of the relevant countries, we’d never go to war. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Jaymo said: What part of ‘You can’t just go around invading Countries’ in this day and age, because you feel like it or don’t like what they may or may not, be doing! I know right , they should just let us have the oil/gas/uranium/gold/lithium ect, then we wouldnt have to go in there with force , under some pathetic pretext, and take it... whilst providing them with capitalism and democracy... whether they want it or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Liz Truss as referee 🤔 And Diane Abbott keeping score! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, bluesj said: And Diane Abbott keeping score! Probably better the other way around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: I know right , they should just let us have the oil/gas/uranium/gold/lithium ect, then we wouldnt have to go in there with force , under some pathetic pretext, and take it... whilst providing them with capitalism and democracy... whether they want it or not Exactly, how can it be right as if I go and Half inch a pair of Nikes then I get into a wee bit of trouble. But it’s ok to go for a few trillions worth of oil and top a few people along the way! Btw, do you like my new trainers 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Scully said: And that’s the thing isn’t it! If disputes were sorted out between the leaders of the relevant countries, we’d never go to war. 👍 We'd have significantly tougher/younger fitter stronger leaders, but it's not going to happen. Boris said on the radio today that Russia needs to step back or face severe sanctions?? How can anyone impose sanctions on a country that supplies gas to probably half of Europe and has enough military muscle to back up its threats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mice! said: We'd have significantly tougher/younger fitter stronger leaders, but it's not going to happen. Boris said on the radio today that Russia needs to step back or face severe sanctions?? How can anyone impose sanctions on a country that supplies gas to probably half of Europe and has enough military muscle to back up its threats? The West has to buy it but Russia has to sell it. The power base of the country keeps its money abroad, just in case. The threat is to close off those relocation options which in turn directly threaten Putin. That said it's so much easier to run from a fight even though you know sooner or later it's coming. If we cared enough we could put troops in but we don't want to share the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, oowee said: The threat is to close off those relocation options which in turn directly threaten Putin It would be a bit late threatening that when most of them are already in London, Paris, ...... 37 minutes ago, oowee said: If we cared enough we could put troops in but we don't want to share the pain. Given how depleted our armed services are I'm not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 I've just filled up both our cars in anticipation of significantly higher fuel prices if it kicks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave-G said: I've just filled up both our cars in anticipation of significantly higher fuel prices if it kicks off. Don't forget the loo roll also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 hours ago, Dave-G said: I've just filled up both our cars in anticipation of significantly higher fuel prices if it kicks off. Wise choice, but unfortunately the Russians are going back to their bases, creepy Joe's threats to fondle their children have worked it seems. 😃 Or our media has told us a bunch of lies, and they were Hever going to invade at all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 Well there is a BUFF up and heading toward a waiting tanker, both at 27000 feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well there is a BUFF up and heading toward a waiting tanker, both at 27000 feet. Probably heading back home, although I thought they wouldn't need a refuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 NOT heading home! Another one on the way up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 Putin is a thug who cares not a jot for the opinions in Europe or anywhere else for that matter. One thing (amongst others) to come out of this is that Ukraine will not be left to fend for itself in the event of an invasion whether they join NATO or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: NOT heading home! Another one on the way up! Probably a little celebratory muscle-flexing, as is the inimitable style of our good old friends from across the pond! Send one over here, I haven't seen a B-52 in the air for quite some years, they are a magnificent sight to behold 🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 Four in at the moment. another four expected. Hate 12 was over Peterborough the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 Let's just say hypothetically that it did all kick off... what exact role are the BUFFs going to fulfil? Carpet bombing with high explosives and incendiaries isn't exactly a thing in modern warfare any more, and I doubt they'd go straight in with the nukes?!! I'd guess these planes are simply being visibly flaunted as a deterrent. Unless they're loaded up with pallets full of leaflets for a propaganda drop?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 They make great targets for the Su's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, JDog said: Putin is a thug who cares not a jot for the opinions in Europe or anywhere else for that matter. One thing (amongst others) to come out of this is that Ukraine will not be left to fend for itself in the event of an invasion whether they join NATO or not. I wouldnt speak too soon , the Duma (Russian parliament) has voted to 'recognise' the devolved republican states comprising the rebel controlled Donbass region today. Putin has to give it his blessing yet, but if this goes ahead, another slice of Ukraine goes to Russia. Was a deal done with the west , over the heads of the Ukrainian government, or is Putin just going to put a seal of approval on another disputed territory ? Although I dont believe Vlad ever had any intention of invading Ukraine proper, and he probably knew he couldnt stop Ukraine from joining NATO, he has played quite a clever game of bluff here. Yes hes a thug, but hes not a stupid one, he got everyone to reveal their hands, whilst sitting on his. Its been a long time since a western leader had such tactical qualities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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