Well done Mr Sunak.

[islandgun]

11 minutes ago, oowee said:

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https://www.gov.uk/report-immigration-crime

 

They would disappear for Albania if the migrants were  returned they would be without business. 

There will always be migrants. If the organises didnt exist there would be no one to encourage them

Edited October 27, 2022 by islandgun

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Yes. Albania is a safe country. Mate's have just come back from two weeks walking in the mountains. 

We must call them out. When we see them at the car wash or wherever report them to the HO. 

I wasn't sure 👍

Definitely makes no sense if there are 12000 here from a safe country,  no reason to even put them up, just turn them around and ship them back.

 

[old'un]

7 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I wasn't sure 👍

Definitely makes no sense if there are 12000 here from a safe country,  no reason to even put them up, just turn them around and ship them back.

 

this might help explain why we cannot do that..https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/home-office-u-turn-over-deportation-of-albanian-asylum-seekers

[Mice!]

47 minutes ago, old'un said:

this might help explain why we cannot do that..https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/home-office-u-turn-over-deportation-of-albanian-asylum-seekers

There are so many things wrong with that letter, pandering to the car chasing liberal lawyers who are just there to make money.

The Gov should simply stop listening to all the human rights garbage,  these people are coming here because they'll get free hand outs, because it's nicer and easier.

They are not fleeing a war zone and enter not arrive in the country illegally,  having passed through multiple safe countries, with much nicer weather!

[old'un]

13 minutes ago, Mice! said:

There are so many things wrong with that letter, pandering to the car chasing liberal lawyers who are just there to make money.

The Gov should simply stop listening to all the human rights garbage,  these people are coming here because they'll get free hand outs, because it's nicer and easier.

They are not fleeing a war zone and enter not arrive in the country illegally,  having passed through multiple safe countries, with much nicer weather!

Mate it ain't gun-na change any time soon, all the services are overloaded to braking point, no housing available for them, there is unrest at the processing camps, fights braking out between themselves and locals and it will only get worse.

So what's the answer??

[enfieldspares]

4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Not entering into a going around in circles discussion on this.

The notion of a clean break from the EU was a fallacy, never going to happen, that’s why people like me either voted to remain or abstained from voting altogether.

Brexiteers bought into something that was never going to be delivered. Some now appreciate it was a scam, others can’t admit it and blame everyone / anyone else.

Most of us are victims of Brexit, even if we refuse to admit it, putting the blame on those that opposed the notion in the first place is ridiculous at least and forum rules prevent me for conveying what I really think. 

Well said Sir!

[Mice!]

7 minutes ago, old'un said:

Mate it ain't gun-na change any time soon, all the services are overloaded to braking point, no housing available for them, there is unrest at the processing camps, fights braking out between themselves and locals and it will only get worse.

So what's the answer??

I agree with you, so they have to stop more arriving,  then deal with those already here, if an MP or PM could sort that then they'd be onto something. 

But pandering to all the human rights and lily livered out there will get us nowhere. 

[bruno22rf]

My daughter works as a Police call handler and says that, apart from fighting constantly, the main problem is that Hotele/Hostels or wherever they are being housed have to report to the Police if one of the "residents" dissapears for more than 24 hours - the Police then have to search for them.

Edited October 27, 2022 by bruno22rf

[old'un]

26 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I agree with you, so they have to stop more arriving,  then deal with those already here, if an MP or PM could sort that then they'd be onto something. 

But pandering to all the human rights and lily livered out there will get us nowhere. 

Whatever you come up with you are likely to be called Inhuman or racist, you will not win.

If it was up to me I would build a processing centre on the Falkland Islands.

[Mice!]

Just now, old'un said:

Whatever you come up with you are likely to be called Inhuman or racist, you will not win.

If it was up to me I would build a processing centre on the Falkland Islands.

I could handle that, I'd put the Navy out and say its a training exercise,  war game what ever, I can't imagine many more coming by boat if they got turned around at sea, then the boats destroyed,  the cost would be to high.

 

[derbyduck]

7 hours ago, Mice! said:

 

I'd say the Navy should be blocking them, turning the boats back to France, following them to shore then rendering the boats unusable,  for their own safety of course 😉 

Wouldn't it be easier to stop the  R.N.L.I. picking these boats full of illegals up, then if the French bring them into our waters they will then be engaging in an act of war ?

 

 

[Raja Clavata]

7 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

It was never going to happen because those in power didn't want to deliver what the people voted for. Which goes back to my point about a remainer plot. You can't hold a vote thinking you can force people to vote a certain way and then not deliver the result when it doesn't go your way, or rather you can, but the remainers responsible then need to own the consequences that they've caused, but I won't hold my breath. 

That’s one perspective.

Another is that the leave outcome was not taken seriously and hadn’t actually been thought through. 
 

The big issue I have with the leave voters is they all claim they knew exactly what they were voting for, the issue is that none of them seem to agree on the details of what they were voting for. It’s left both sides disgruntled and the only “winners” likely to be the elite who were going to be ok whatever the outcome.

Now, I’m not in the elite club so I’m not a winner in all this, but I’m certainly not going to be impacted the same way I fear others, particularly average earners, will be. My real concern is for my kids because whilst I’m doing ok I’m not in a position to secure their financial well-being throughout their lives.

Genuinely though, I ask you, what real benefit do you see in Brexit so far or in the foreseeable future and I mean tangible / demonstrable benefits not sound bites, bus slogans or smug satisfaction that those who voted remain lost?

Can you please also explain to me how you feel that “those in power” had anything but gain in store for them by us taking back control?

 

[Dave-G]

1 hour ago, derbyduck said:

Wouldn't it be easier to stop the  R.N.L.I. picking these boats full of illegals up, then if the French bring them into our waters they will then be engaging in an act of war ?

The French avoid 'bringing them into our waters' - they escort them to the border area.

[Scully]

38 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

That’s one perspective.

Another is that the leave outcome was not taken seriously and hadn’t actually been thought through. 
 

The big issue I have with the leave voters is they all claim they knew exactly what they were voting for, the issue is that none of them seem to agree on the details of what they were voting for. It’s left both sides disgruntled and the only “winners” likely to be the elite who were going to be ok whatever the outcome.

Now, I’m not in the elite club so I’m not a winner in all this, but I’m certainly not going to be impacted the same way I fear others, particularly average earners, will be. My real concern is for my kids because whilst I’m doing ok I’m not in a position to secure their financial well-being throughout their lives.

Genuinely though, I ask you, what real benefit do you see in Brexit so far or in the foreseeable future and I mean tangible / demonstrable benefits not sound bites, bus slogans or smug satisfaction that those who voted remain lost?

Can you please also explain to me how you feel that “those in power” had anything but gain in store for them by us taking back control?

 

I voted leave for one reason, and one reason only, and that was that I genuinely believe the EU as an organisation to be undemocratic and corrupt.
I was never given the option to vote to join the EU, nor to vote for any of its none UK ministers. 
I’m not saying I have much more faith in our home grown representatives, but at least I have the option to vote for or against them. 
My vote in the referendum was and will be my only chance to show my displeasure. 
I’m quite content. 
The UK voting public were given the chance to vote, and took it. Whatever mess it is claimed we are in now as a result, is up to those who gave us the vote, to sort out. 
I have no doubt that eventually we’ll slide back in via a back door somewhere ( the leave vote was never expected to win ) and thereby proving my point entirely, but given the choice I’d vote leave again. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Scully

[old man]

21 hours ago, Mice! said:

I don't know about border control,  its more like a meet and greet.

Who won't support the reality? Problem as I see it is far too many lefty loves worried about the human rights of foreigners throwing away their passports and crossing in boats.

I doubt all those living along the south coast would have an issue with tougher measures,  but it'll probably be the weather that curbs things for a while.

 

It's certainly an indication that a country is in the carp when it's political lackeys are more interested in the welfare of strangers of no contribution than than it's own who finance it?

Sunak lost me when he praised the sphincters who created this mess.

23 minutes ago, Scully said:

I voted leave for one reason, and one reason only, and that was that I genuinely believe the EU as an organisation to be undemocratic and corrupt.
I was never given the option to vote to join the EU, nor to vote for any of its none UK ministers. 
I’m not saying I have much more faith in our home grown representatives, but at least I have the option to vote for or against them. 
My vote in the referendum was and will be my only chance to show my displeasure. 
I’m quite content. 
The UK voting public were given the chance to vote, and took it. Whatever mess it is claimed we are in now as a result, is up to those who gave us the vote, to sort out. 
I have no doubt that eventually we’ll slide back in via a back door somewhere ( the leave vote was never expected to win ) and thereby proving my point entirely, but given the choice I’d vote leave again. 

True for me too.

[Dave-G]

53 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

The French avoid 'bringing them into our waters' - they escort them to the border area.

On ITV news this evening there was a topic about immigration centres not being up to scratch for the illegals who's 'handlers' would have us believe they were used to better - and how many children have died in our care.

Shame about the deaths but pregnant mothers ought to have made better arrangements for the babies they were carrying instead of risking their own and therefore babies death in a small dingy channel crossing to get to our NHS for the birth.

Nobody forced them to come here - those who are funding the overtaking of our country are responsible for the issues.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Dave-G

[old man]

8 hours ago, islandgun said:

For me the only way to sort this out is to take out the gangs that organise/ship the migrants.  

Can our military operate on home turf? ? ?

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

That’s one perspective.

Another is that the leave outcome was not taken seriously and hadn’t actually been thought through. 
 

The big issue I have with the leave voters is they all claim they knew exactly what they were voting for, the issue is that none of them seem to agree on the details of what they were voting for. It’s left both sides disgruntled and the only “winners” likely to be the elite who were going to be ok whatever the outcome.

Now, I’m not in the elite club so I’m not a winner in all this, but I’m certainly not going to be impacted the same way I fear others, particularly average earners, will be. My real concern is for my kids because whilst I’m doing ok I’m not in a position to secure their financial well-being throughout their lives.

Genuinely though, I ask you, what real benefit do you see in Brexit so far or in the foreseeable future and I mean tangible / demonstrable benefits not sound bites, bus slogans or smug satisfaction that those who voted remain lost?

Can you please also explain to me how you feel that “those in power” had anything but gain in store for them by us taking back control?

 

Brexit has been a rip roaring success story! 

Being serious though, it's clear that the benefits we should have seen haven't come to fruition mainly due to the damage successive remainerer PMs and their cronies have done. 

But there is now the option for the UK to make its own laws without EU intervention. 

I think one of the main benefits we saw immediately is wages and job opportunities increase for those on the lowest wages due to many EU workers no longer working here. 

Its going to take a long time to see any real benefits (that's if we get a party who's pro brexit), due to being in the EU for such a long time and how long it will take to start making real changes. 

Would I vote leave again, absolutely! 

[islandgun]

1 hour ago, old man said:

Can our military operate on home turf? ? ?

Does interpol still exist, I imagine these gangs are offering "all in" one way tickets [including boat ride] depart albania 7-30 most week days. I also imagine that your average albanian guy on the street would probably find it difficult turning up and sourcing a dinghy in calais

[enfieldspares]

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Genuinely though, I ask you, what real benefit do you see in Brexit so far...

That we've been able to get rid of VAT on energy bills. Just like nice Mr Johnson and nice Mr Farage promised?

[old man]

12 hours ago, islandgun said:

Does interpol still exist, I imagine these gangs are offering "all in" one way tickets [including boat ride] depart albania 7-30 most week days. I also imagine that your average albanian guy on the street would probably find it difficult turning up and sourcing a dinghy in calais

Mm, interpol? I would imagine little interest from there, our lot seem to not be interested in upholding the law nowadays being constrained to being welfare officers?

Talking of Brexit, we sent useless negotiators constrained by Remainers?

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by old man

[oowee]

2 hours ago, old man said:

 

Talking of Brexit, we sent useless negotiators constrained by the ERG?

 

Corrected it for you. 

[johnphilip]

This is what this country is up against,  when you have clowns like this making money , representing  these  chanel  crosses. 

These laws need changing very soon , to be able to turn them around before they land on these shores

 

[bruno22rf]

We can argue about this situation for months and nothing will change, what this country lacks is Balls - this would not have happened 100 years ago so why is it happening now? Nobody in power is ever willing to stand up and do anything.

[Dave-G]

5 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

We can argue about this situation for months and nothing will change, what this country lacks is Balls - this would not have happened 100 years ago so why is it happening now? Nobody in power is ever willing to stand up and do anything.

Luvvies, wokes and cancel have taken over - and human rights laws prevents anything being done about it. Maybe become a solicitor and make money out of it.