Scully Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Mungler said: The left hate Trump with a passion. The current one doing the rounds is that Trump is a Putin asset and he’s going to wreck NATO, choke funding to Ukraine and all on Putin’s orders, all the while over looking that it’s sleepy Joe at the helm and Trump but a mere candidate in the running. What we are witnessing is Trump tapping into US voter discontent. After Iraq and Afghanistan the average US citizen no longer wants the US to be the world’s police force, expensive and thankless task that is. The US is a country that can isolate itself and grow strong just trading in a block with Canada and South America. Currently imports to the US make up but 15% of GDP and only 30% of the US population hold a current passport - explain to this country’s population why the US is responsible for something 6000 miles away and on the doorstop of Germany, France and all those other so clever mainland European nations who have run down their armies and mooched on their nato subs. The yanks are on the hook for managing Israel and Taiwan and they see Russia as an entirely European problem to resolve - not an entirely unreasonable position to adopt when looking at the physical geography. All nato members (especially Germany and France) have been freeloading. The yanks have worked out that (1) they are nato and if they pull stumps they will be no worse off and (2) the money that Germany and France have otherwise avoided putting into nato has been spent growing their economies over the last couple of decades. Well, that and cheap dirty energy from Putin. And the yanks have had enough. Throughout all the railing at Trump the liberal elites can’t muster any criticism of the democrats, being the only people in a position to stop Trump. The democrats are fronted by a corpse that can now barely walk or talk and get none of the left establishments or media outlets feel able to jump in with two feet and call out the disaster that is Joe Biden. It’s dystopian emperors clothes stuff. Biden shuffling off will just leave the democrats to put forward a god awful plan B - the usual approach is to roll out another Clinton. A great choice for the US electorate. edit And as for a European army, well the farce that is European support for Ukraine ought to open our eyes that there is no European unity when the brown stuff hits the fan; it’s every country for itself. Two things that leapt off the page was (1) germanys Barmy green agenda kept them dependent on cheap energy from the Russian gangster run petrol station meaning at the height of conflict, Germany was paying $1 billion a day to Russia for energy and (2) the continued lack of military support provided by France to Ukraine - I don’t think they make the 3rd page of league table. I always wondered how deep in hock French banks were to Russia and I think we can all join the dots. Anyway, anyone still for Macron’s European army, headed up by the French? There is no European cohesion when push comes to shove. No individual country can be trusted to put European interests over national interests. Lastly, have a ponder as to who will fill any European army or any individual country national army? Nationalism has been so badly eroded by immigration and downgrading of national interests and values. Europe is in a sorry mess. Last days of Rome stuff. Excellent post! Trump will be trumphant ( see what I did there! 😀) because of all the reasons above, and not because he leads a glowing campaign, but because the opposition has nothing better on offer. It is the same reason back home, Labour will possibly win the next GE NOT because they have anything better to offer, but because the Tories don’t. It’s exactly why the vote to leave the EU won over those who wished to remain, because once the decision was made to have a vote, the opposition had nothing better to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Mungler + post = mic drop 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Mungler said: The left hate Trump with a passion. The current one doing the rounds is that Trump is a Putin asset and he’s going to wreck NATO, choke funding to Ukraine and all on Putin’s orders, all the while over looking that it’s sleepy Joe at the helm and Trump but a mere candidate in the running. What we are witnessing is Trump tapping into US voter discontent. After Iraq and Afghanistan the average US citizen no longer wants the US to be the world’s police force, expensive and thankless task that is. The US is a country that can isolate itself and grow strong just trading in a block with Canada and South America. Currently imports to the US make up but 15% of GDP and only 30% of the US population hold a current passport - explain to this country’s population why the US is responsible for something 6000 miles away and on the doorstop of Germany, France and all those other so clever mainland European nations who have run down their armies and mooched on their nato subs. The yanks are on the hook for managing Israel and Taiwan and they see Russia as an entirely European problem to resolve - not an entirely unreasonable position to adopt when looking at the physical geography. All nato members (especially Germany and France) have been freeloading. The yanks have worked out that (1) they are nato and if they pull stumps they will be no worse off and (2) the money that Germany and France have otherwise avoided putting into nato has been spent growing their economies over the last couple of decades. Well, that and cheap dirty energy from Putin. And the yanks have had enough. Throughout all the railing at Trump the liberal elites can’t muster any criticism of the democrats, being the only people in a position to stop Trump. The democrats are fronted by a corpse that can now barely walk or talk and get none of the left establishments or media outlets feel able to jump in with two feet and call out the disaster that is Joe Biden. It’s dystopian emperors clothes stuff. Biden shuffling off will just leave the democrats to put forward a god awful plan B - the usual approach is to roll out another Clinton. A great choice for the US electorate. edit And as for a European army, well the farce that is European support for Ukraine ought to open our eyes that there is no European unity when the brown stuff hits the fan; it’s every country for itself. Two things that leapt off the page was (1) germanys Barmy green agenda kept them dependent on cheap energy from the Russian gangster run petrol station meaning at the height of conflict, Germany was paying $1 billion a day to Russia for energy and (2) the continued lack of military support provided by France to Ukraine - I don’t think they make the 3rd page of league table. I always wondered how deep in hock French banks were to Russia and I think we can all join the dots. Anyway, anyone still for Macron’s European army, headed up by the French? There is no European cohesion when push comes to shove. No individual country can be trusted to put European interests over national interests. Lastly, have a ponder as to who will fill any European army or any individual country national army? Nationalism has been so badly eroded by immigration and downgrading of national interests and values. Europe is in a sorry mess. Last days of Rome stuff. Bang on the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 On 11/02/2024 at 10:55, oowee said: Trump Has said he would support Putin to attack NATO countries if they had not paid their bills. No he didnt. On 11/02/2024 at 10:55, oowee said: What a complete moron. A buffoon , a man who 'shoots from the hip' a realist, populist , yes maybe, but he hasnt started any wars, unlike the doddering old fool in the Whitehouse now, who likely doesnt even know what day it is. On 11/02/2024 at 10:55, oowee said: The sooner Europe gets its own army together the safer we will all be. You mean when the EU gets its own army together ? Then we shall be 'safer' , as then they can get rid of the very thin veil of democracy they have now , and FORCE us to be 'safe' , own nothing and be happy. Sounds lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 the fuss is nothing but anti trump propaganda or it’s now ok not to pay your bill and expect a free ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, clangerman said: it’s now ok not to pay your bill and expect a free ride there's boat loads coming over every day with that philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said: there's boat loads coming over every day with that philosophy. Not surprised our government, have proved that philosophy to be correct. Edited February 12 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 4 hours ago, Mungler said: The left hate Trump with a passion. The current one doing the rounds is that Trump is a Putin asset and he’s going to wreck NATO, choke funding to Ukraine and all on Putin’s orders, all the while over looking that it’s sleepy Joe at the helm and Trump but a mere candidate in the running. What we are witnessing is Trump tapping into US voter discontent. After Iraq and Afghanistan the average US citizen no longer wants the US to be the world’s police force, expensive and thankless task that is. The US is a country that can isolate itself and grow strong just trading in a block with Canada and South America. Currently imports to the US make up but 15% of GDP and only 30% of the US population hold a current passport - explain to this country’s population why the US is responsible for something 6000 miles away and on the doorstop of Germany, France and all those other so clever mainland European nations who have run down their armies and mooched on their nato subs. The yanks are on the hook for managing Israel and Taiwan and they see Russia as an entirely European problem to resolve - not an entirely unreasonable position to adopt when looking at the physical geography. All nato members (especially Germany and France) have been freeloading. The yanks have worked out that (1) they are nato and if they pull stumps they will be no worse off and (2) the money that Germany and France have otherwise avoided putting into nato has been spent growing their economies over the last couple of decades. Well, that and cheap dirty energy from Putin. And the yanks have had enough. Throughout all the railing at Trump the liberal elites can’t muster any criticism of the democrats, being the only people in a position to stop Trump. The democrats are fronted by a corpse that can now barely walk or talk and get none of the left establishments or media outlets feel able to jump in with two feet and call out the disaster that is Joe Biden. It’s dystopian emperors clothes stuff. Biden shuffling off will just leave the democrats to put forward a god awful plan B - the usual approach is to roll out another Clinton. A great choice for the US electorate. edit And as for a European army, well the farce that is European support for Ukraine ought to open our eyes that there is no European unity when the brown stuff hits the fan; it’s every country for itself. Two things that leapt off the page was (1) germanys Barmy green agenda kept them dependent on cheap energy from the Russian gangster run petrol station meaning at the height of conflict, Germany was paying $1 billion a day to Russia for energy and (2) the continued lack of military support provided by France to Ukraine - I don’t think they make the 3rd page of league table. I always wondered how deep in hock French banks were to Russia and I think we can all join the dots. Anyway, anyone still for Macron’s European army, headed up by the French? There is no European cohesion when push comes to shove. No individual country can be trusted to put European interests over national interests. Lastly, have a ponder as to who will fill any European army or any individual country national army? Nationalism has been so badly eroded by immigration and downgrading of national interests and values. Europe is in a sorry mess. Last days of Rome stuff. is there a list of who pays what into NATO ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Just now, ditchman said: is there a list of who pays what into NATO ? Posted link 3rd post from top on page 2 of this thread - also repeated below; https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Posted link 3rd post from top on page 2 of this thread - also repeated below; https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence ta everso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, ditchman said: ta everso I didn't know that you spoke Esperanto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, amateur said: I didn't know that you spoke Esperanto. I think it may be 'Desperado'. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 5 hours ago, Mungler said: The left hate Trump with a passion. The current one doing the rounds is that Trump is a Putin asset and he’s going to wreck NATO, choke funding to Ukraine and all on Putin’s orders, all the while over looking that it’s sleepy Joe at the helm and Trump but a mere candidate in the running. What we are witnessing is Trump tapping into US voter discontent. After Iraq and Afghanistan the average US citizen no longer wants the US to be the world’s police force, expensive and thankless task that is. Certainly true of educated liberals but I don't think we can underplay the dislike of Trump from the educated right of politics. The faults of Biden don't make Trump any better. Sleepy Joe is hardly an antidote for Trump but as with Corbyn Johnson the lesser of two evils. We can't fault the economic recovery. Even fox is choking on it. What we are witnessing is Trump mouthing off for maga nothing more. The benefit being a wake up call for the EU to get its act together to defend its own freedoms. The thoughts of joe average US citizen don't have much leverage In super power polititics. Since when does the US want to be anything but the world's super power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, oowee said: We can't fault the economic recovery. Even fox is choking on it. Maybe Fox don't like telling lies...https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/?s=bidenomics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 21 hours ago, Minky said: Not ole kamikwasi. Isn't he the bloke who just loves a decent crash. Yep, what a t**t. They have hidden him well since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 21 minutes ago, oowee said: Certainly true of educated liberals but I don't think we can underplay the dislike of Trump from the educated right of politics. Oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 25 minutes ago, oowee said: The faults of Biden don't make Trump any better The 'faults' of Biden make him totally unfit to govern even a small company, never mind a country like the US. And then theres the issue of Hunter, and his dodgy dealings, aided and abetted by the 'big guy' but the legacy media dont like talking about that do they ? 25 minutes ago, oowee said: The thoughts of joe average US citizen don't have much leverage In super power polititics. No but they have a vote, and unless they can err, trump up some more stupid charges, they will likely vote Trump back in again, especially after 4 years of Biden . Unless of course the voting machines dont come into play, and start registering dead people again. Or they give the vote to every illegal and convict in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 41 minutes ago, serrac said: Maybe Fox don't like telling lies...https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/?s=bidenomics 🤣🤣🤣 Forced to tell it like it is. It must hurt so bad when the prophecy of collapse fails to materialise. If only it were true here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, amateur said: I didn't know that you spoke Esperanto. im multi sexual dontchya know....i speak in toungues...i was given a flame upon my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 41 minutes ago, ditchman said: ...i was given a flame upon my head ... and I thought that that was your bald patch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, ditchman said: im multi sexual dontchya know....i speak in toungues...i was given a flame upon my head 18 minutes ago, amateur said: ... and I thought that that was your bald patch He's certainly touched by something....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: He's certainly touched by something....... That ole co-op Red wine must be on special offer in the Sandringham area now Charlie is confirmed to barracks and the big house is shut down for the time being . buy one bottle get a few free spring to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Just now, marsh man said: That ole co-op Red wine must be on special offer in the Sandringham area now Charlie is confirmed to barracks and the big house is shut down for the time being . buy one bottle get a few free spring to mind Yes that is certainly a possibility........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 everything alright here....move aloang now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 I read a report that Trump has done more to stop under age sex in America than any president , That makes him no such a T**T as i thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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